McDermott Hot Seat?

[PatsFanNH]

5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

You could never have a new GM in Foxboro and keep Belichick around. How is that going to work? They have to clean house. Throw Bill a big ceremony and send him on his way.

True! My guess if the team keeps getting destroyed like the last 2 weeks he leaves on his own..

[BillsVet]

55 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

When will fans understand that Beane has FAR less power than McDermott?  Coach McDermott can get Beane fired, at least until Mr. Pegula wakes up from the trance he is in after McDermott sold him a bill of goods.

 

It's amazing how some people still think NFL front offices run the same or similarly where the HC reports to the GM who reports to the owner.  If that were the case, ownership would have hired the GM first who would have in turn hired the HC.  

 

At the end of 2016, TPegs had to have watched a dispute between GM and HC played out in the press during a mediocre season and wanted better.  In walks McD who gets hired because A) he was more organized that Rex ever would have been and B) represented the sole voice in the organization to prevent the internecine battles.  Yet, that last issue only gets addressed if the new HC controls the football side of the house with support from a personnel department.  And that's been the case since Day 1.  

 

Buffalo is at a point now where McD's vision is stale.  He can't let go of preferring the defensive side even with a franchise QB.  Sure, he'll go in with a 1st round offensive skill position pick, but then spend in UFA to keep his DL rotation intact as they throw token money toward low-end WR types.  It's no guarantee to hire an offensive-based coach, but you don't want to end up with a stubborn defensive one who thinks he's gotta be top-5 overall on their preferred side.     

 

 

 

[Gregg]

Just now, PatsFanNH said:

True! My guess if the team keeps getting destroyed like the last 2 weeks he leaves on his own..

 

Kraft won't fire Bill in the normal way. They will allow him to step down and retire after the season. Besides if the Pats keep losing then they could have a shot at getting Caleb Williams in next year's draft.

[BillStime]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

Kraft won't fire Bill in the normal way. They will allow him to step down and retire after the season. Besides if the Pats keep losing then they could have a shot at getting Caleb Williams in next year's draft.

 

But when you listen to Boston sports talk - they can't stomach the thought of tanking. Despite their record the past three years - they are still stuck in the mystique of Brady's New England Patriots.

 

"You can't bail on the season - you have to get to a respectable 8 wins or so..." 

 

Well, if that's the case - enjoy your mediocre draft positioning - ala Buffalo prior to McDermott.

 

[HappyDays]

One major issue I have with McDermott is his inability to have the team prepared for ugly wins. That is what separates the #1 seed from everyone else. So far we've gotten drawn into two ugly games against inferior opponents and could not find a way to get it done in either case. Blowing out teams is fun but not sustainable. How are we going to ever make it to the Super Bowl if we can't eke some ugly wins from time to time? It's a legitimate concern.

 

Against the Jets, we had a dumb 2nd and 15 shotgun run in OT and then the punt team blew it. Against the Jags when the offense was finally figuring it out, the defense gave up a 50 yard TD run. The final hook and ladder play was a mess with zero chance of working. I feel like we see too many of these momentum swing plays that turn 50/50 games against us under this coaching staff. It may be the one thing that prevents us from ever winning a championship under this regime.

 

Edited October 11, 2023 by HappyDays

[BillStime]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

One major issue I have with McDermott is his inability to have the team prepared for ugly wins. That is what separates the #1 seed from everyone else. So far we've gotten drawn into two ugly games against inferior opponents and could not find a way to get it done in either case. Blowing out teams is fun but not sustainable. How are we going to ever make it to the Super Bowl if we can't eke some ugly wins from time to time? It's a legitimate concern.

 

Against the Jets, we had a dumb 2nd and 15 shotgun run in OT and then the punt team blew it. Against the Jags when the offense was finally figuring it out, the defense gave up a 50 yard TD run. The final hook and ladder play was a mess with zero chance of working. I feel like we see too many of these momentum swing plays that turn 50/50 games against us under this coaching staff. It may be the one thing that prevents us from ever winning a champion under this regime.

 

Agreed - and this happens FAR too often.

 

We have the talent - it's coaching.

 

 

 

 

[gobills1212]

On 10/8/2023 at 7:43 PM, Mark92 said:

The way this offense can go from running like a sports car to a dump truck in 7 days is baffling.  At some point the roller coaster needs to stop.  We have all seen how great this team can be.  We only get so many chances with Allen at the helm.  Beane has to be at least pondering the idea of coaching being the issue.  Also is there an issue with this teams conditioning?  Lots of injuries the past 2-3 years. 

Hopefully your posting privileges are on the hot seat after a stinker like this. 

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

One major issue I have with McDermott is his inability to have the team prepared for ugly wins. That is what separates the #1 seed from everyone else. So far we've gotten drawn into two ugly games against inferior opponents and could not find a way to get it done in either case. Blowing out teams is fun but not sustainable. How are we going to ever make it to the Super Bowl if we can't eke some ugly wins from time to time? It's a legitimate concern.

 

Against the Jets, we had a dumb 2nd and 15 shotgun run in OT and then the punt team blew it. Against the Jags when the offense was finally figuring it out, the defense gave up a 50 yard TD run. The final hook and ladder play was a mess with zero chance of working. I feel like we see too many of these momentum swing plays that turn 50/50 games against us under this coaching staff. It may be the one thing that prevents us from ever winning a championship under this regime.

 

it's a fair point

 

look at how the Chiefs were able to scratch out a win vs Jags

[Codyny13]

Jesus christ

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

That’s just not my true. People forget Brady was average for the first few years and at least 2 SB.. I will agree he was bad at times but come on getting Moss for a 4th and Welker for a 2nd and 7th was great GM moves…heck even now his drafting of D players isn’t terrible.. but on O it’s beyond bad.

 

It is true.  Don't forget that Bledsoe is one of the absolute worst playoff QBs of all time.  Brady was the anti-Bledsoe in that way. 

 

Also, BB's defenses were much better back then.  His defenses were pretty solid until around 2010 when they started getting very inconsistent and somewhat dicey. 

 

Also, imagine what it's like to play 6 games every season with the likes of the QBs that we, the Jets, and Fins had for 20 years.  Honestly, not a ringer in the bunch.  

 

 

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

One major issue I have with McDermott is his inability to have the team prepared for ugly wins. That is what separates the #1 seed from everyone else. So far we've gotten drawn into two ugly games against inferior opponents and could not find a way to get it done in either case. Blowing out teams is fun but not sustainable. How are we going to ever make it to the Super Bowl if we can't eke some ugly wins from time to time? It's a legitimate concern.

 

Against the Jets, we had a dumb 2nd and 15 shotgun run in OT and then the punt team blew it. Against the Jags when the offense was finally figuring it out, the defense gave up a 50 yard TD run. The final hook and ladder play was a mess with zero chance of working. I feel like we see too many of these momentum swing plays that turn 50/50 games against us under this coaching staff. It may be the one thing that prevents us from ever winning a championship under this regime.

 

This. These are the games when coaching shows up. If it’s a close game, we lose usually. If the team is tough, we usually lose. 

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

Agreed - and this happens FAR too often.

 

We have the talent - it's coaching.

 

It's only going to get worse.  

 

McD seems to have thrown his hands up re: any impact on the offense or helping Dorsey out.  I'm not even sure he's capable. 

 

Defensively, the Jags seemed to have been the first team to have figured McD's D schemes out.  It typically takes about that, 5 or 6 games before the better HCs and coordinators figure new Ds & Os out.  That appears to be the case here.  

 

Should be interesting going forward.  

 

 

[PatsFanNH]

2 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

It is true.  Don't forget that Bledsoe is one of the absolute worst playoff QBs of all time.  Brady was the anti-Bledsoe in that way. 

 

Also, BB's defenses were much better back then.  His defenses were pretty solid until around 2010 when they started getting very inconsistent and somewhat dicey. 

 

Also, imagine what it's like to play 6 games every season with the likes of the QBs that we, the Jets, and Fins had for 20 years.  Honestly, not a ringer in the bunch.  

 

 

Bledsoe made the SB within his first 3 years, and the team had a chance to win if Tuna doesn’t kick it away to lose the game. After that it’s kind of a blur to me.. but the team regressed every year after that with him at QB.. Also it isn’t fair to compare anyone to Brady who was perhaps the most clutch QB in NFL history. (I said perhaps which mean maybe  lol) I mean even Patrick Mahomes has a losing record against him.. 

[PBF81]

40 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Bledsoe made the SB within his first 3 years, and the team had a chance to win if Tuna doesn’t kick it away to lose the game. After that it’s kind of a blur to me.. but the team regressed every year after that with him at QB.. Also it isn’t fair to compare anyone to Brady who was perhaps the most clutch QB in NFL history. (I said perhaps which mean maybe  lol) I mean even Patrick Mahomes has a losing record against him.. 

 

Bledsoe was awful in the playoffs, the Pats made the SB despite him.  

 

Have you looked at his playoff performances?  His highest rated playoff game, of 6 starts, was 72.3.  

 

His totals in the three playoff games in the season that you mention were 59 of 105, for 595 Yards, 3 TDs, 7 INTs for an overall passer rating in those playoffs of 54.3.  

 

Here's the link to his playoff performances;  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BledDr00/gamelog/post/ 

 

He had 4 INTs in that Super Bowl, I think three drives ended on sacks and what, five more drives ending on incompletions?  

 

I made a ton of money in that game wagering all of my Pats fan sucker friends.  LOL  

 

 

[Eastport bills]

Injuries are as much a part of football now with the speed.and strength training making these players heat seeking 250lb projectiles. Sean coaches the defense and it’s been good enough to win every game so far. The problem against the Jets was the forced throws by Josh and losing the turnover battle. Hard to overcome.  The Jags game looked like our OC forget how to call plays in the NFL,after his best game ever against Miami. He’s not getting the ball to anyone other than Diggs or Davis. The running game was nonexistent and the TEs, and slot receivers are afterthoughts. He’s a young OC and seems unsure how to use personnel. Most games he’s sufficient, but he’s a work in progress.

[newcam2012]

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

One major issue I have with McDermott is his inability to have the team prepared for ugly wins. That is what separates the #1 seed from everyone else. So far we've gotten drawn into two ugly games against inferior opponents and could not find a way to get it done in either case. Blowing out teams is fun but not sustainable. How are we going to ever make it to the Super Bowl if we can't eke some ugly wins from time to time? It's a legitimate concern.

 

Against the Jets, we had a dumb 2nd and 15 shotgun run in OT and then the punt team blew it. Against the Jags when the offense was finally figuring it out, the defense gave up a 50 yard TD run. The final hook and ladder play was a mess with zero chance of working. I feel like we see too many of these momentum swing plays that turn 50/50 games against us under this coaching staff. It may be the one thing that prevents us from ever winning a championship under this regime.

 

Last year the team won a lot of ugly close games. They were very resilient. I think the team put this narrative to bed last year. 

 

[BananaB]

Team is just standing still with McD. There is just to much carryover every year and we ain’t improving. We’re getting old and the young guys aren’t developing at a fast enough pace. 

Edited October 12, 2023 by BananaB

[John from Riverside]

I’m just thankful that the bills are smarter than most of you
 

You guys wouldn’t be ***** talking if our coaching staff got canned, and we actually started regressing

[uticaclub]

5 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I’m just thankful that the bills are smarter than most of you
 

You guys wouldn’t be ***** talking if our coaching staff got canned, and we actually started regressing

But we are regressing now, without firing the staff

[BananaB]

26 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

But we are regressing now, without firing the staff

Basically the team has improved as Josh has improved and they keep asking him to do more