4 drives ended by dropped passes

[PBF81]

22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think he hit Lawrence after the ball had gone. 

 

Yes, that's correct.  

 

I followed somewhat along in the GDT.  Most of the penalties were good calls, granted, voluminous.  The refs missed a few going both ways, arguably worse for us.  A handful could have gone either way.  

 

But still, more problematic was allowing 511 total yards and 474 net yards, apart from penalty yardage, is problematic.  

 

So far in our only games against two very balanced offenses with good QBs we've allowed an average of 462 total yards and 433 net yards.  

 

That seems problematic.   

 

As others have mentioned, I'm not sure that flying out two days ahead of time was wise.  Seems to me that the latest you'd want to fly out for that would be Thursday.  

 

It seems that coaching hasn't been discussed much.  

 

 

[Xwnyer]

16 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Here's what I'm talking about. 

 

2nd Half:  (which you just cliamed)  

 

Diggs:  4 catches for 82 yards with 0 TDs 

 

62 of those yards on non-scoring drives having nothing to do with Davis.  One 1st-Down otherwise.  

 

Davis:  3 catches for 72 yards and 1 TD 

 

Davis had 43 of the 75 net yards on our scoring drive while catching the TD to pull us within 5.  

 

AFTER THAT, Diggs fumbled the ball on his only catch, and Davis added 29 yards on 1st-and-10 to set up Allen's TD run, ... after our marvelous D gave up 75 yards, featuring 43 yards by Etienne up-the-middle, to put the Jags up by 12.  Davis 29-yard catch on the next drive set up Allen's TD run.  

 

So again, spin away, but there's no way on earth that Diggs outplayed Davis in the 2nd half.  In fact, had Diggs done what Davis did in the 2nd half, we'd have won.  

 

I'm far from trying to implicate Diggs here, but your original point was exactly this; 

 

 

 

... which is nonsense without Davis in there.  But then arguing as you have, ... SMH  

 

 

And for the love of football, why all the outright hate for Davis, a player that has 4 TDs on the season and numerous 1st-Downs contributing to other scores and keeping drives alive, typically on deep throws on "... and long's."  

 

SMH  

 

Honestly, time for another whipping boy.  

 

Meanwhile, in allowing nearly 500 yards, actual yards, not penalty yards, McD gets a pass and everyone considers his D better than Frazier's despite his giving up well  over 100 more YPG than Frazier ever did through five games in either of his last two seasons here.  

 

It's mystefying.  

 

 

The D was missing its top two CB at start of game and lost Milano the beast of the D and Jones the beast of the DL.  

[PBF81]

10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Still trying to say that I said something that I didn’t.  I dont really know how many more ways to tell you to stop making your own narratives about what I actually said.  
 

Maybe go start a Davis thread as that is all you’re obsessed with making this thread about even though it’s not.

 

I posted what you said, exactly what you said, who you included, did not include, and then your subsequent remarks about the 2nd half performances of both.  

 

Either way, you're right then.  Davis didn't play with fire then.  

 

Eyes of the beholder.  

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, QB Bills said:

His underthrow to Diggs on that deep shot was a guaranteed TD and cost them 7 points as they ended up punting on that drive. The key play in the game and it essentially cost them the win. Allen was not good today until it was too late.

Offensive line was not holding up at all…getting those deep throws off at all was impressive enough 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

It may feel that way to you, but it's dishonest crediting Diggs with showing up but not Davis.  Their contributions were nearly identical except the Davis didn't commit a key TO.

 

Man, the Davis hate/bias is strong here. 

 

 

It's almost like they don't watch 

[PBF81]

Just now, Xwnyer said:

The D was missing its top two CB at start of game and lost Milano the beast of the D and Jones the beast of the DL.  

 

Well, then McD had better figure something out then.  

 

He's far from the only one with injuries in the league.  I'm pretty sure that lesser talented teams won't give up 500 yards and 25 points and 29 1st-Downs today.  

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, Xwnyer said:

The D was missing its top two CB at start of game and lost Milano the beast of the D and Jones the beast of the DL.  

And Leonard Floyd, and Rousseau, and von miller came out down the stretch 

[Xwnyer]

2 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Yes, that's correct.  

 

I followed somewhat along in the GDT.  Most of the penalties were good calls, granted, voluminous.  The refs missed a few going both ways, arguably worse for us.  A handful could have gone either way.  

 

But still, more problematic was allowing 511 total yards and 474 net yards, apart from penalty yardage, is problematic.  

 

So far in our only games against two very balanced offenses with good QBs we've allowed an average of 462 total yards and 433 net yards.  

 

That seems problematic.   

 

As others have mentioned, I'm not sure that flying out two days ahead of time was wise.  Seems to me that the latest you'd want to fly out for that would be Thursday.  

 

It seems that coaching hasn't been discussed much.  

 

 

Personally they should have flown out late Sunday night.  Used Monday as a rest day since normal,film study day anyways.  Then get a rest of week schedule.     If the NFL is gonna continue these Europe games two things must change.  Neither team should play back to back games.  Both teams should be provided adequate NFL a quality training facilities and rehab.

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

And Leonard Floyd, and Rousseau, and von miller came out down the stretch 

Forgot about Groot out and the Floyd injury and limited Von Miller snaps really impacted the D in the fourth quarter

[PBF81]

Just now, Xwnyer said:

Personally they should have flown out late Sunday night.  Used Monday as a rest day since normal,film study day anyways.  Then get a rest of week schedule.     If the NFL is gonna continue these Europe games two things must change.  Neither team should play back to back games.  Both teams should be provided adequate NFL a quality training facilities and rehab.

 

Yeah, getting there less than 48 hours prior to game time, ... who made that decision.  SMH  

 

 

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, QB Bills said:

His underthrow to Diggs on that deep shot was a guaranteed TD and cost them 7 points as they ended up punting on that drive. The key play in the game and it essentially cost them the win. Allen was not good today until it was too late.

 

The flag on Poyer was the key play in the game. Defense had the stop until the flag flew in.

[UKBillFan]

4 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Well, then McD had better figure something out then.  

 

He's far from the only one with injuries in the league.  I'm pretty sure that lesser talented teams won't give up 500 yards and 25 points and 29 1st-Downs today.  

 

 

 

The amount of time the Jags had in possession didn't help. If it was just 60/40 to the Jags, the Bills would have probably won.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, Ralonzo said:

 

The flag on Poyer was the key play in the game. Defense had the stop until the flag flew in.

Ridiculous penalty…receiver fell weird making it look worse than the hit was.  We would’ve had great field position after that one 

[Scott7975]

39 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think he hit Lawrence after the ball had gone. 

 

I mean Josh got shoved after he slid and was tagged and the whistle blew and after he stood back up.  That was ok though lol.

[SectionC3]

13 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Yes, that's correct.  

 

I followed somewhat along in the GDT.  Most of the penalties were good calls, granted, voluminous.  The refs missed a few going both ways, arguably worse for us.  A handful could have gone either way.  

 

But still, more problematic was allowing 511 total yards and 474 net yards, apart from penalty yardage, is problematic.  

 

So far in our only games against two very balanced offenses with good QBs we've allowed an average of 462 total yards and 433 net yards.  

 

That seems problematic.   

 

As others have mentioned, I'm not sure that flying out two days ahead of time was wise.  Seems to me that the latest you'd want to fly out for that would be Thursday.  

 

It seems that coaching hasn't been discussed much.  

 

 

It was a fine schedule if one was there for leisure or to conduct p, say, financial business.  Not smart for a football team.  They looked like zombies.  

[Scott7975]

This game was just so weird.  This is the worst job I have ever seen in a ref crew.  We lost so many players. Josh was 27/40 359 yards 2TDs 1 rushing TD and 1 int in a losing effort.

 

I can't say anything about that D. They were like 3rd stringers playing there asses off and held the Jags most of the game.  They were simply exhausted. Dorsey was terrible, our run game was terrible with 14 carries for 29 yards.  Cook had 5 carries for minus 4 yards. Davis had a drop, Diggs had a drop/int/fumble whatever, Knox had a drop.  All those killed drives.

 

Is what it is.  Our O just made too many mistakes and Dorsey called a ***** game.  Im so sick of the shotgun draw handoff.  It's a garbage play.  If you want to run the football then line the hell up under center and let the rb get some speed going from the snap.

[SectionC3]

8 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

 

The flag on Poyer was the key play in the game. Defense had the stop until the flag flew in.

Bingo.  Changed the whole game. 

Just now, Scott7975 said:

This game was just so weird.  This is the worst job I have ever seen in a ref crew.  We lost so many players. Josh was 27/40 359 yards 2TDs 1 rushing TD and 1 int in a losing effort.

 

I can't say anything about that D. They were like 3rd stringers playing there asses off and held the Jags most of the game.  They were simply exhausted. Dorsey was terrible, our run game was terrible with 14 carries for 29 yards.  Cook had 5 carries for minus 4 yards. Davis had a drop, Diggs had a drop/int/fumble whatever, Knox had a drop.  All those killed drives.

 

Is what it is.  Our O just made too many mistakes and Dorsey called a ***** game.  Im so sick of the shotgun draw handoff.  It's a garbage play.  If you want to run the football then line the hell up under center and let the rb get some speed going from the snap.

One of these games were just going to have to rely on a battering ram (Harris/Murray) when we have to hold the ball, plug away, and set up play action.  Given the injures and the fatigue, today might have been the day. 

[Xwnyer]

6 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Bingo.  Changed the whole game. 

One of these games were just going to have to rely on a battering ram (Harris/Murray) when we have to hold the ball, plug away, and set up play action.  Given the injures and the fatigue, today might have been the day. 

But Dorsey isn’t smart enough 

[Bob Jones]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Unfortunately Diggs getting the ball ripped out of his hands by a 5'9 CB was the most impactful of them all. I would say bare minimum all of the drops together took at the very least 10 points off the board, and forced a banged up defense to keep coming back on the field. Make no mistake - the Bills skill position players lost this game.

Watching this live, I was as sure as you could be that Diggs was going to come down with that ball, or at a minimum come down with dual posession, where the Bills would have kept the ball. Was totally shocked to see the INT there.

[PBF81]

20 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

The amount of time the Jags had in possession didn't help. If it was just 60/40 to the Jags, the Bills would have probably won.

 

No, it didn't, but that also wasn't the primary reason for it.  

 

Here's some game data; 

 

Us:  40 passing plays, 14 rushing plays 

Jags:  42 passing plays, 40 rushing plays 

 

And, Allen wasn't sacked once whereas Lawrence was sacked 5 times, all but once on drives that went scoreless.  

 

And we were never so far behind so as not to be able to run.  

 

It is what it is.  IMO the last two games, and the only two games we've played to date against playoff caliber opponents, were anything but defensive masterpieces, contrary to the predominant narrative here.  

 

I'm guessing that the ranking of our yardage defense is going to drop out of the top-10 this week and won't ever get back much into the top-10.  

 

Could be a problem going forward.  

 

 

[RiotAct]

35 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

 

The flag on Poyer was the key play in the game. Defense had the stop until the flag flew in.

didn’t we end up forcing a punt eventually anyway?  Granted, from 30-40  yards further upfield.