Bills vs Jags Postgame thread

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

24 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I re-watched the 4th quarter interception play a couple times.  The only thing I might disagree with is I think this one falls directly on Allen and not Dorsey.  The Bills also burned a time before the play as the play clock ran down to zero.  Josh had 2 other easy options on the play.  Knox open in the left flat but the better option was to Murray at the numbers on the right at the Bills 43 with the nearest Jags defenders way down field around the Bills 38 yard line.  They were either unconcerned about the underneath throws or concluded that the throw was going deep. 

 

Allen has a clear line of sight to Murray as he's looking up the field to Diggs.  Maybe the check down doesn't get the first down but it sets up a potential 4th and short situation.  As Diggs is double covered and the ball is slightly under-thrown it wasn't a great decision. 

 

The check down was the high percentage play considering the circumstances.  The score was 11-7 and a 4 point deficit with almost a quarter left shouldn't have factored into taking that risk.  I hate to say its a problem when a player is too talented but that seems to be Josh's problem at times.  Our QB has so much confidence in his ability that it gets in the way of his decision making process.  A less skilled QB would have taken the 10 yard underneath throw and played the percentages in keeping the drive alive. 

 

Diggs wasn't double covered that play? Unless you're counting the defender that's 10+ yards away from him 

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

What evidence do you have that Allen is "afraid" t run? 

 

 

Because he has completely stopped. Whether that has been coached out of him or what, you can say he is "afraid" to run (maybe doesnt want to get in trouble). It's not that he is afraid of contact.

[Shaw66]

7 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

What evidence do you have that Allen is "afraid" t run?  That's pretty harsh considering that the entire Bills organization and 99% of the media spent the off season claiming that Allen's career would be short if he kept running.  It's clear that they have coached the running out of Allen to some extent. Whether this is wise or not remains to be seen.  One game doesn't tell the story.

 

Look at it this way, the Bills are 3 - 2 and in the thick of the AFC race for a 4th straight Division Title and home field advantage through the playoffs.  It is going to be a long & brutal season of attrition.  But the only injury that would eliminate the Bills as a playoff team would be for Allen to go down for an extended period of time. 

 

For the Bills Super Bowl window to remain open for the next decade Allen must stay healthy over the long haul.  He can't go the way of Cam Newton because the Bills are going to have to keep extending his contract far into the future to free up money. 

 

I didn't mean that he is fearful.  I just meant that before he was running too much and taking too many risks.  Now he's not running when he should.  

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Because he has completely stopped. Whether that has been coached out of him or what, you can say he is "afraid" to run (maybe doesnt want to get in trouble). It's not that he is afraid of contact.

I think Allen has bought into the idea that he can't operate with a run first, pass 2nd mind set as he has the last few years.  Check out a play from the Dolphins game where Allen is running towards the LOS and has a real chance to get the 1st down with his legs but decides to pass the ball to Shakir (I think) who was running a crossing pattern.  The pass would ave been a bigger gainer then the run and of course would have sparred Allen the hit.  Of course the pass which was perfectly placed was dropped which is another story.

 

[CincyBillsFan]

Whether a pass first/run second approach will work best for Allen and the offense will only be seen in the fullness of a season. So far Allen has tossed a couple of red zone TD's using this approach. One game, particularly one as weird as yesterday, isn't enough data to decide one way or another.

 

I also think the point in the season impacts the decision.  Late in the season when a division title is on the line or in the playoffs it makes more sense for Allen to be more reckless in his runs. During the 1st half the season?  I'm not so sure.

 

Baltimore is going through the same thing but in more extreme fashion with Jackson.  They're trying to get him to be pass first/run second. You could argue that their two losses this season was because of that.  And while Jackson is a better runner but not as good of a passer as Allen it's clear that the Ravens are concerned about the long term viability of Jackson if he continues as a run first/pas second QB. After all Jackson has been injured towards the end of the last two seasons effectively eliminating Baltimore's chances at making the playoffs one year or advancing in the layoffs the next season.

 

 

[mannc]

30 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Those were not garbage time points the game was still in doubt.  Garbage time points are when you're trailing 34 - 3 and score two late TD's to make it 34 - 17.

 

How about “desperation-time points”?

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, mannc said:

How about “desperation-time points”?

Fine but the bottom line is that the last thing the Jags wanted was for the Bills to score as quickly as they did.  Allen and the O needed to be unleashed much earlier in the game then it was.

 

[Big Turk]

Now the real fun begins...

 

Not only do we have some major injuries we already know about, now we get to see all the players who played the whole game and will be DNP this week and likely out for the following game on top of them.

 

Luckily we are playing a team that has scored only 3 offensive points in the first half of games this year.  Bills should be up by about 4 TDs going into the 2nd half.

 

Edited October 9, 2023 by Big Turk

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

7 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Now the real fun begins...

 

Not only do we have some major injuries we already know about, now we get to see all the players who played the whole game and will be DNP this week and likely out for the following game on top of them.

 

Luckily we are playing a team that has scored only 3 offensive points in the first half of games this year.  Bills should be up by about 4 TDs going into the 2nd half.

 

 

I haven't seen an updated on Daniel Jones injury, but could you imagine this board if we lose to the Tyrod Taylor led Giants ? 

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

I haven't seen an updated on Daniel Jones injury, but could you imagine this board if we lose to the Tyrod Taylor led Giants ? 

 

We likely would see the 56 yards passing in the 4th quarter Tyrod we all know and love.

[All_Pro_Bills]

49 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

Diggs wasn't double covered that play? Unless you're counting the defender that's 10+ yards away from him 

 

 

I stand corrected.  The second defender was closing in on the play when the time the ball arrived.  Given a 4 point deficit and 14+ minutes left on the game clock I still think it was a poor decision.  Josh's talent and confidence are both a big blessing and yet a big curse at times too.  

[DrDawkinstein]

59 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I think Allen has bought into the idea that he can't operate with a run first, pass 2nd mind set as he has the last few years.  Check out a play from the Dolphins game where Allen is running towards the LOS and has a real chance to get the 1st down with his legs but decides to pass the ball to Shakir (I think) who was running a crossing pattern.  The pass would ave been a bigger gainer then the run and of course would have sparred Allen the hit.  Of course the pass which was perfectly placed was dropped which is another story.

 

 

Yeah, I think the last minute decision to throw it has resulted in a few "dropped" passes. I put dropped in quotes because it's tough to tell what is going on now.

 

Josh starts to run, but then at the last second throws. The WRs are thinking "Do I need to start blocking? Am I adjusting my route because he's scrambling? Is he really going to throw the ball?" And before they even finish that thought the ball is unexpectedly on them. AND not in a great spot because Josh was unsure as well and then flicked a bad ball at the last second.
 

It's just very disjointed and frenetic because of all this changing decisions.

 

Tuck it and ***** run!

 

 

Edited October 9, 2023 by DrDawkinstein

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yeah, I think the last minute decision to throw it has resulted in a few "dropped" passes. I put dropped in quotes because it's tough to tell what is going on now.

 

Josh starts to run, but then at the last second throws. The WRs are thinking "Do I need to start blocking? Am I adjusting my route because he's scrambling? Is he really going to throw the ball?" And before they even finish that thought the ball is unexpectedly on them.
 

It's just very disjointed and frenetic because of all this changing decisions.

 

Tuck it and ***** run!

For me personally any decision that keeps Allen from running is a win

 

the wideouts practice scramble drills...if they're not ready for a pass once he breaks the pocket thats on them

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

For me personally any decision that keeps Allen from running is a win

 

the wideouts practice scramble drills...if they're not ready for a pass once he breaks the pocket thats on them

 

Congrats on your win yesterday then.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Congrats on your win yesterday then.

I mean I will suffer the odd loss if it means injury prevention and career extension

[SCBills]

Travis Etienne literally comes out and says the travel disparity played a part in the game.  

 

Called it a huge advantage for them. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, SCBills said:

Travis Etienne literally comes out and says the travel disparity played a part in the game.  

 

Called it a huge advantage for them. 

just common sense

[Warcodered]

3 hours ago, Process said:

 

 

I mean WTF, like I understand respecting the Jaguars pass rush, but what was Dorsey petrified of it that he needed to probably have the TEs chipping all day and have Josh in shotgun to see anyone coming? Give the O-line a chance don't just surrender that battle from the start.

[Scott7975]

13 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

They should have never been in that position. The Bills were not good on third downs. To be exact, they were 5 for 12 for a clip of 42%. Third down is well known as being the QB down in the NFL. Allen and the completely healthy Bills offense didn't make plays today. That includes Allen.

 

Allen is the least of the Bills offensive problems. However, if Allen doesn't wear his cape the Bills likely won't win vs good teams. The rest of the team isn't that good especially being down Tre, Milano, and Jones. 

 

Thats one away from 50%.  While that does go up and down every week, the top average is 51%.  How many of those 3rd downs were a result from someone dropping the ball, someone not getting to the first down marker after getting the ball? Allen missed some passes sure.  All QBs miss some passes.  His receivers let him down all game long.

13 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I disagree. I've seen him plenty vocal on the sidelines before. I've seen him talking to his oline men and WRs as well. I've seen her m giving encouragement to his players. 

 

The camera shows a QB on the sideline hardly any time at all.  You have no idea what Josh does or anyone does on the sideline for most of the game.  They show one glimpse of him sitting on the bench and you assume in a 3 hour period that is all he does.  Just stop man.  We didn't lose this game over some mythical pep talk.

Edited October 9, 2023 by Scott7975

[Buffalo03]

2 hours ago, boyst said:

even with those starters our gameplan against a lesser team was pure poop. we did not do anything specific to their team to stop them and had a lousy performance in strategy and football without regard to players.

How can we stop them consistently with 4 missing defensive starters?