Israel and Iran

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

 

Hamas blames the IDF. IDF said they don't know, they are investigating what happened. Tibs instantly blames Israel. Doesn't wait for the facts. 

When has a pal rocket ever killed this many people? 

[Justice]

42 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

What are the odds.... 

 

ISF Air Force using US precision weapons, somehow hitting a hospital (Israel does not target hospitals, never have) or a rogue Hamas rocket? This was in the middle of the night WHILE HAMAS WAS FIRING ROCKETS. 

 

 

Last night I was watching the news. They asked the IDF about hospitals, schools and such. The guy said all bets are off. We’re hitting Hamas wherever they hide. Next day… a hospital got hit 

[Tiberius]

 

 

[Justice]

5 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

When has a pal rocket ever killed this many people? 

This is called critical thinking. Many here lack it. 

[Tommy Callahan]

9 minutes ago, Justice said:

You know who else is savages? The guys that wiped out your people. The ones that  sell drugs to their own people. The ones that force us to take untested vaccines. The ones that sell us poisonous foods. Any clue who’s doing those things? Are they not “savages”?

Who are "they" that did all these horrible things?

[wnyguy]

20 minutes ago, Justice said:

I’ll answer your question but you need to answer mine as well. For one I’m offended you think I wouldn’t answer this question. It does call for the annihilation of Jewish people, but if our country was occupied would you greet the enemy with love or hate? Would you accept defeat? Would you not fight? You’d be facing a far superior army. What would you do to resist the occupation? And please do not say it isn’t an occupation. Just answer the question. 

 

I know that I wouldn't participate in the inhuman raping and torture and killing of civilians. That's my answer to you.

[Justice]

9 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

Who are "they" that did all these horrible things?

Now this question I will ignore. 

[Justice]

8 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

I know that I wouldn't participate in the inhuman raping and torture and killing of civilians. That's my answer to you.

I know you say that but if you can just imagine the level of hate one can have for his oppressors. Allow me to dumb it down for you.
 

Let’s say a child of about 12 years old in 2014 lost his entire family to an airstrike. That kid is now 22 years old. Raised without a family. Nobody to teach him right from wrong except for maybe some sick ass Hamas members. How the F do you think this kid will come out??

 

See everything is black and white for most of you. When in reality it’s gray as hell. 

 

[wnyguy]

Just now, Justice said:

I know you say that but if you can just imagine the level of hate one can have for his oppressors. Allow me to dumb it down for you.
 

Let’s say a child of about 12 years old in 2014 lost his entire family to an airstrike. That kid is now 22 years old. Raised without a family. Nobody to teach him right from wrong except for maybe some sick ass Hamas members. How the F do you think this kid will come out??

 

See everything is black and white for most of you. When in reality it’s gray as hell. 

 

I think even with the hatred, the passionate hatred, one can have there should be a level of humanity inside. The things that were done on the Hamas attack showed that there was no humanity, making those terrorists appear to have no soul.

[Justice]

Just now, wnyguy said:

I think even with the hatred, the passionate hatred, one can have there should be a level of humanity inside. The things that were done on the Hamas attack showed that there was no humanity, making those terrorists appear to have no soul.

Fully agreed but I’m not gonna sit here and pretend to know what that feels like and how I’d react 

[Tiberius]

🙃

 

 

[wnyguy]

1 minute ago, Justice said:

Fully agreed but I’m not gonna sit here and pretend to know what that feels like and how I’d react 

Fair enough.

[SCBills]

I love how certain media types and politicians tell us how dangerous Elon Musk’s Twitter/X is due to “misinformation”

 

meanwhile….

 

It was those same politicians and media outlets reporting, without confirmation, that Israel air strikes hit a hospital in Gaza. 
 

It was Twitter/X with Community Notes and the sharing of conflicting reports that gave a more accurate reporting of what happened, what we know and what we don’t yet know. 

[Justice]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I love how certain media types and politicians tell us how dangerous Elon Musk’s Twitter/X is due to “misinformation”

 

meanwhile….

 

It was those same politicians and media outlets reporting, without confirmation, that Israel air strikes hit a hospital in Gaza. 
 

It was Twitter/X with Community Notes and the sharing of conflicting reports that gave a more accurate reporting of what happened, what we know and what we don’t yet know. 

No way Israel would bomb a hospital. Impossible. The people that gave the PA territory to control and then turn right around and build settlements on them would never do that. They’re full of honesty and integrity. 

[Warcodered]

5 minutes ago, Justice said:

No way Israel would bomb a hospital. Impossible. The people that gave the PA territory to control and then turn right around and build settlements on them would never do that. They’re full of honesty and integrity. 

They're very upset, they weren't scheduled to bomb that particular hospital for at least a few more hours.

[reddogblitz]

7 hours ago, Tiberius said:

In over a week of bombardment, Israeli airstrikes have killed least 2,670 people in Gaza, including hundreds of children, according to the Palestinian Health Ministry.

 

Sad. But I can't help thinking the best way to not get your kids killed is to not kill someone else's.

 

What do you think we should do about this?

[Justice]

8 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Honestly this proves absolutely nothing. Just as easily one can say rockets were being launched from that spot and Israel returned fire and hit the hospital. It can also be what this video says but it’s not proof. 

[SCBills]

27 minutes ago, Justice said:

No way Israel would bomb a hospital. Impossible. The people that gave the PA territory to control and then turn right around and build settlements on them would never do that. They’re full of honesty and integrity. 

Israel certainly isn’t perfect.  
 

And I didn’t say this hospital attack was settled.  
 

Which is more than I can say for Tliab, Omar, Politico etc.., who all came out and repeated propaganda verbatim in the immediate aftermath to blame Israel without confirmation. 

[B-Man]

 

 

IN THE INFORMATION WAR

By Scott Johnson

 

 

As I have stated several times, the IDF has proved itself a more reliable source of information than mainstream media sources in past wars.

 

Now Hamas is claiming the IDF hit a hospital in Gaza. Though it has since been changed, the original headline on the AP story reporting the explosion appears to have read “Israel bombs Gaza [hospital] where civilians sought refuge.” The story was based on the assertion of “[t]he Health Ministry run by Hamas.” Mark that down as a characteristic victory for Hamas in the information war.

 

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/10/in-the-information-war.php

 

 

 

 

Of course, to the poor victims it doesn't really matter who shot the missile, their deaths are still tragic.

 

 

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Edited October 17, 2023 by B-Man

[Justice]

My question is when is enough, enough? My fear is one can’t really define terrorist or Hamas member. If Israel says they are you all believe it. They just have to say it. No proof necessary.