Tiberius Posted October 11, 2023 Author Posted October 11, 2023 25 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: In which Arab country in the region is that even true? Palestine, which doesnt exist yet, is going to be the first or one of the few, and they are going to do it by murdering Israelis, though its a ridiculous notion That's that they said about democracy in America at first, also. We did it, so can they
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Pokebball said: That’s the second place I’ve heard Hamas was using weapons the us abandoned in Afghanistan …. 2
The Frankish Reich Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Irv said: Biden isn't doing anything other than barely being able to read from a teleprompter. He slept thought the first two days of the fighting waiting for somebody to tell him what to do. We have 22 Americans confirmed dead and he's sitting with his thumb up his ass. So what do you think he should be doing? Committing troops to the invasion of Gaza? Sending money/armaments to Israel? That one is the job of Congress, which of course has no Speaker of the House so nothing can be appropriated. So ... what? 2
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: Do the Palestinians even want a democracy? serious question Look at Iraq/Afghanistan. We went in there, kicked out their douchebag dictator(s), did everything from building the governments, showing them how voting works, building the plumbing infrastructure so they didnt have so much shite in the streets, etc. And they wanted what they had before! Unfortunately democracy isn't a cure all, especially in the middle east. 1
BillStime Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 Yeah - don’t be fooled - Ukraine and Israel are connected - both fighting the axis of evil and chaos: Russia, Iran, Hamas and MAGA. 1 1
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, BillStime said: Yeah - don’t be fooled - Ukraine and Israel are connected - both fighting the axis of evil and chaos: Russia, Iran, Hamas and MAGA. Maaaannn, you almost........almost had it. 1 1
Tiberius Posted October 11, 2023 Author Posted October 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: Do the Palestinians even want a democracy? serious question Yes, Hamas doesn't. Japan used to b e under a dictatorship, now they are a democracy 13 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: Look at Iraq/Afghanistan. We went in there, kicked out their douchebag dictator(s), did everything from building the governments, showing them how voting works, building the plumbing infrastructure so they didnt have so much shite in the streets, etc. And they wanted what they had before! There used to be no republics or democracy anywhere. Human history isn't stopping in 2023
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Yes, Hamas doesn't. Japan used to b e under a dictatorship, now they are a democracy There used to be no republics or democracy anywhere. Human history isn't stopping in 2023 The middle east is different...... 2
Tiberius Posted October 11, 2023 Author Posted October 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: The middle east is different...... So was Japan
Tommy Callahan Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) people keep asking what their end game is. Just research the end time text/details in the Koran, Bible, Torah. Ideologs seem to have no issue with being a Martyr, if it brings about the next stage in the story. Edited October 11, 2023 by Tommy Callahan
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: So was Japan It's a different situation. Didn't the us have to do alot of heavy lifting to help japan? The us invested around 2.2 billion to help Japan, in the 50s 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 15 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: So what do you think he should be doing? Committing troops to the invasion of Gaza? Sending money/armaments to Israel? That one is the job of Congress, which of course has no Speaker of the House so nothing can be appropriated. So ... what? He should be holding a press conference, taking questions on whether or not there were failings of the intelligence community in sniffing this assault out before it happened on his watch. He should be addressing safety concerns home and abroad as Hamas and their partners gear up for the next phase of the war. If he thinks troops should be committed to Gaza, he should tell us why. If he thinks troops should not be committed, he should explain why not. It would be nice if some intrepid reporter were to ask why these invasions seem to happen on his watch, and his thoughts on that, but that likely won't happen. 1 2
Tiberius Posted October 11, 2023 Author Posted October 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: It's a different situation. Didn't the us have to do alot of heavy lifting to help japan? The us invested around 2.2 billion to help Japan, in the 50s Ya, and that was a good investment, wasn't it
The Frankish Reich Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: He should be holding a press conference, taking questions on whether or not there were failings of the intelligence community in sniffing this assault out before it happened on his watch. He should be addressing safety concerns home and abroad as Hamas and their partners gear up for the next phase of the war. If he thinks troops should be committed to Gaza, he should tell us why. If he thinks troops should not be committed, he should explain why not. It would be nice if some intrepid reporter were to ask why these invasions seem to happen on his watch, and his thoughts on that, but that likely won't happen. I'm not sure what any of that would do to actually aid Israel now. There may indeed be Intel failures on our part as well as on Israel's part, but now is not the time to be airing all of that. Biden came out strongly, unequivocally in support of Israel. That was the right thing to do at this critical moment. Everything else (money) can follow. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 14 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: people keep asking what their end game is. Just research the end time text/details in the Koran, Bible, Torah. Ideologs seem to have no issue with being a Martyr, if it brings about the next stage in the story. You don't even need to go to the scripture. The 1988 Hamas Charter says it all (from the wiki page): The charter states that "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories,[3] and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.[4][5] It emphasizes the importance of jihad, stating in article 13, "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."[6] The charter also states that Hamas is humanistic, and tolerant of other religions as long as they "stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region".[7] The Charter adds that "renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion [of Islam]".[1] The original charter was criticized for its violent language against all Jews, which some commentators characterized as incitement to genocide.[8][9] They tried to tone it down a bit around 2010, but they still will not accept the State of Israel. In other words, Hamas - an entity dedicated to the elimination of Israel - controls Gaza and its "army," a terrorist army. Obviously in retrospect, when Hamas was elected by the people of Gaza to run its government, Israel should have taken immediate action to stop that from happening. 2 1
Warcodered Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 18 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: He should be holding a press conference, taking questions on whether or not there were failings of the intelligence community in sniffing this assault out before it happened on his watch. He should be addressing safety concerns home and abroad as Hamas and their partners gear up for the next phase of the war. If he thinks troops should be committed to Gaza, he should tell us why. If he thinks troops should not be committed, he should explain why not. It would be nice if some intrepid reporter were to ask why these invasions seem to happen on his watch, and his thoughts on that, but that likely won't happen. Like this?
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I'm not sure what any of that would do to actually aid Israel now. There may indeed be Intel failures on our part as well as on Israel's part, but now is not the time to be airing all of that. Biden came out strongly, unequivocally in support of Israel. That was the right thing to do at this critical moment. Everything else (money) can follow. Well, you asked what others might think he should be doing but it seems your mind was already made up? I thought his statement was fine, maybe 5 or 6 out of 10, but checking out early the other day for a nappy-poo didn't signal strength and leadership. Likewise, avoiding questions from the press when an ally was savagely attacked doesn't show much in the way of leadership, either. There are many in Israel right now demanding answers on intelligence failures, and we certainly all agree that should not be their top priority in the moment. These are looming questions on virtually everyone's mind, he should address them. 1 1 1
Tommy Callahan Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: You don't even need to go to the scripture. The 1988 Hamas Charter says it all (from the wiki page): The charter states that "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories,[3] and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.[4][5] It emphasizes the importance of jihad, stating in article 13, "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."[6] The charter also states that Hamas is humanistic, and tolerant of other religions as long as they "stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region".[7] The Charter adds that "renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion [of Islam]".[1] The original charter was criticized for its violent language against all Jews, which some commentators characterized as incitement to genocide.[8][9] They tried to tone it down a bit around 2010, but they still will not accept the State of Israel. In other words, Hamas - an entity dedicated to the elimination of Israel - controls Gaza and its "army," a terrorist army. Obviously in retrospect, when Hamas was elected by the people of Gaza to run its government, Israel should have taken immediate action to stop that from happening. I am not an expert in any of them. but they seem to all focus on a temple/mount/wall in that valley, in order to get their "heaven on earth." Al-Jihod is the second door to get to Jannah. I read Judaism believes the dead won't go to heaven till Jesus comes.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: Like this? Like a press conference, from an American President, after a valued ally was attacked, addressing the issues I just raised. I'm not certain why that's confusing.
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