Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: They have these things called public opinion polls. They even do them over in that desert https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87 From 2021 "A new poll released Tuesday finds a dramatic surge in Palestinian support for Hamas following last month’s Gaza war, with around three quarters viewing the Islamic militants as victors in a battle against Israel to defend Jerusalem and its holy sites. The scientific poll by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research also found plummeting support for President Mahmoud Abbas, who was sidelined by the war but is seen internationally as a partner for reviving the long-defunct peace process. The poll found that 53% of Palestinians believe Hamas is “most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people,” while only 14% prefer Abbas’ secular Fatah party." useful info. thanks but I edited my post with this before you responded. I type and then think harder. It's one reason I edit so much. "Many of the palestinians, at this point, want vengeance. hardly surprising. it didn't have to be this way. there'd still be fighting about something however. the culture of the entire region tends towards barbarism." Oh, and sometimes polls are not accurate...see 2016, USA Edited October 10, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 25 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: Because the Palestinian people do not reject Hamas. How can they? Once you have a dictatorship, you can't just vote it out. That's why Trump is an existential threat to American democracy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: How can they? Once you have a dictatorship, you can't just vote it out. That's why Trump is an existential threat to American democracy Yes, there are obvious common threads....capitalizing on emotions void of reason is the most worrisome. We never learn. Even the Israelis Edited October 10, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I type and then think harder Why do you find this preferable to the opposite? I know you’ve compared yourself to Hemingway in this regard but that seems a stretch. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Why do you find this preferable to the opposite? I know you’ve compared yourself to Hemingway in this regard but that seems a stretch. do you like Hemingway? Who's your fav author save trump? 3 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: trump sucks balls, hes a joke but I dont see how he's relevant to my post you don't see any parallel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 CNN with some top-notch journalism about a terrorist attack. Hamas: What to know about the group and why it's attacking Israel now | CNN "The brazen attack by Palestinian militant group Hamas on Israel that began on Saturday will be seen as a turning point in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict with far-reaching repercussions, analysts say. The multi-pronged attack saw as many as 1,000 assailants infiltrate Israeli territory, kill hundreds of soldiers and civilians, and take dozens of hostages back into Gaza." Hamas had delivered “a blow to Israel beyond what it is used to,” and was also putting its capabilities on display, said Omar Rahman, a fellow at the Middle East Council on Global Affairs who focuses on Palestinian affairs. Its shock tactics are a declaration that it “must be taken more seriously,” Rahman said. cant make it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 hours ago, John from Riverside said: So I saw someon Post earlier that the squad was making comments that would make you think that they supported the terrorists They have all gone on the record and denounce this all they are saying is that they need to work towards a diplomatic solution and it’s easy to understand why, because there are so many civilians in the way The Palestinian people are not hamas that is a terrorist organization, and separate to its self from the Palestinian people or civilians, right in the middle of what is about to be a disaster Should Israel retaliate and have the right to defend itself absolutely I just don’t want to see a bunch of innocent people get killed in the process nope- Tliab it calling it a resistance and taking defund Israel stance. This isn’t a condemnation. maybe She need to watch some video of her brethren executing teenaged girls after raping them, or executing little children or shooting up hundreds of dancers at a music festival while shouting Alu akbar over and over. This isn’t war, this isn’t resistance, this isn’t rebellion against occupation it’s inhumane evil and genocide. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4245770-tlaib-bush-criticized-by-democrats-over-statements-calling-for-end-to-israel-support/amp/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: trump sucks balls, hes a joke but I dont see how he's relevant to my post You overturn elections and the rule of law becomes what Hamas or MAGA says it is 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: nope- Tliab it calling it a resistance and taking defund Israel stance. This isn’t a condemnation. maybe She need to watch some video of her brethren executing teenaged girls after raping them, or executing little children or shooting up hundreds of dancers at a music festival while shouting Alu akbar over and over. This isn’t war, this isn’t resistance, this isn’t rebellion against occupation it’s inhumane evil and genocide. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4245770-tlaib-bush-criticized-by-democrats-over-statements-calling-for-end-to-israel-support/amp/ nice try Tlaib said she continues to “grieve the Palestinian and Israeli lives lost yesterday, today, and every day,” before calling for “dismantling the apartheid system that creates the suffocating, dehumanizing conditions that can lead to resistance.” She shouldn't have said this. She's emotional too. But it's not false. And the big D's called her out on it. That's what should have happened. Edited October 10, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 SMART + SAVY + GENIUS 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, SUNY_amherst said: ok. you wanna have a different discussion have at it. I was discussing the War in Israel its the norm for some to try to toss the orange man bad strawman in every thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 wouldn't it make America greater if the big R's called out Gaetz, MTG and Boebert more? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: ok. you wanna have a different discussion have at it. I was discussing the War in Israel So was I. Once you lose the right to vote, the government is in charge, not the people 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: nice try Tlaib said she continues to “grieve the Palestinian and Israeli lives lost yesterday, today, and every day,” before calling for “dismantling the apartheid system that creates the suffocating, dehumanizing conditions that can lead to resistance.” She shouldn't have said this. She's emotional too. But it's not false. And the big D's called her out on it. That's what should have happened. ?? - literally not a condemnation. Do you not know that word either? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: ?? - literally not a condemnation. Do you not know that word either? huh? do you believe that Israel does not engage in apartheid? Do you think that the conditions that palestinians live under don't foment resistance? There are few good guys running these countries. But the people themselves are mostly not to blame. Edited October 10, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 Hundreds of ultra-Orthodox men on Wednesday blocked a major Jerusalem intersection, snarling traffic and crippling public transportation across the city, in a demonstration against an attempt to force a community member to comply with the country’s mandatory military draft.. The demonstrators formed a large circle on the tracks of the city’s light rail, singing, dancing and praying. Train service was halted, and traffic was backed up for blocks. The demonstration was a precursor of a looming battle over the country’s military draft. https://apnews.com/article/israel-draft-ultraorthodox-military-21b03570632662cce175e47097665c66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: that's a shameful take. Read a history book and learn about what Apartheid actually was. at least watch the beginning. the guy in the frame is Israeli. He's surprised his charming Palestinian neighbor is aware. also check out 9 mins in Edited October 10, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: huh? do you believe that Israel does not engage in apartheid? Do you think that the conditions that palestinians live under don't foment resistance? There are few good guys running these countries. But the people themselves are mostly not to blame. Do the Israeli's control all sides/borders of the Palestinian territories? Apartheid (/əˈpɑːrt(h)aɪt/, especially South African English: /əˈpɑːrt(h)eɪt/, Afrikaans: [aˈpartɦɛit]; transl. "separateness", lit. 'aparthood') was a system of institutionalised racial segregation that existed in South Africa and South West Africa (now Namibia) from 1948 to the early 1990s.[note 1] Apartheid was characterised by an authoritarian political culture based on baasskap (lit. 'boss-hood' or 'boss-ship'), which ensured that South Africa was dominated politically, socially, and economically through minoritarianism by the nation's dominant minority white population.[4] According to this system of social stratification, white citizens had the highest status, followed by Indians and Coloureds, then Black Africans.[4] 3 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: that's a shameful take. Read a history book and learn about what Apartheid actually was. its just parroting MSM. it doesn't understand the words its typing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 For those Biden excusers, Even John gets it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: its the norm for some to try to toss the orange man bad strawman in every thread. It's quite amusing - only the cult has the privilege to determine when the FORMER POTUS and LEADING GQP CANDIDATE can be mentioned or avoided in conversation. Have you observed how it is never ideal that the actions of the former President of the United States be mentioned - esp when the POS shared sensitive classified Israeli information with the Russians which clearly are having a negative impact on national and global security? But HEY - DON'T SAY THAT - DON'T SAY ORGANGE MAN BAD - the cult can't handle it - they can't HEAR IT - and they CANNOT be held accountable for their vote. Seriously, FOH Edited October 10, 2023 by BillStime 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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