B-Man Posted October 2 Posted October 2 Israel’s ceasefire plan: Blow terrorists up and they stop fighting. The best way to end a war is to win it, and winning generally means killing the enemy until they quit. https://donsurber.substack.com/p/getting-terrorists-to-cease-fire . 1 1
K D Posted October 2 Posted October 2 15 minutes ago, B-Man said: Israel’s ceasefire plan: Blow terrorists up and they stop fighting. The best way to end a war is to win it, and winning generally means killing the enemy until they quit. https://donsurber.substack.com/p/getting-terrorists-to-cease-fire . The Middle East is like when I used to fight with my younger brother. We would fight and then get tired and be like ok truce and go to shake hands but then I would kick him in the junk and it would start all over again. Just imagine that for thousands of years and that's the Middle East 1
sherpa Posted October 2 Posted October 2 19 minutes ago, K D said: The Middle East is like when I used to fight with my younger brother. We would fight and then get tired and be like ok truce and go to shake hands but then I would kick him in the junk and it would start all over again. Just imagine that for thousands of years and that's the Middle East Not quite. You weren't trying to kill him. Iran's surrogate militias are. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 2 Posted October 2 (edited) 46 minutes ago, sherpa said: Not quite. You weren't trying to kill him. Iran's surrogate militias are. The Israelis aren't using rubber bullets either. why do we send aid to Israel if they can independently protect themself? Do you agree with All Pro that this is about fossil fuel and business? Those are our interests here? When he said "don't let them fool you", I think he meant you. Edited October 2 by Joe Ferguson forever
Westside Posted October 2 Posted October 2 34 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: The Israelis aren't using rubber bullets either. why do we send aid to Israel if they can independently protect themself? Do you agree with All Pro that this is about fossil fuel and business? Those are our interests here? When he said "don't let them fool you", I think he meant you. Because unlike Ukraine, Israel is our Allie. We should and will protect our allies. Do you have a problem with helping our allies defend themselves against terrorists? That would be weird if you do. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 2 Posted October 2 3 minutes ago, Westside said: Because unlike Ukraine, Israel is our Allie. We should and will protect our allies. Do you have a problem with helping our allies defend themselves against terrorists? That would be weird if you do. they don't need it according to Sherpa. It would be analogous to giving tax breaks to wealthy people. So yes, I'm against it. Oh and Ukraine is an ally. 1
sherpa Posted October 2 Posted October 2 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: The Israelis aren't using rubber bullets either. why do we send aid to Israel if they can independently protect themself? Do you agree with All Pro that this is about fossil fuel and business? Those are our interests here? When he said "don't let them fool you", I think he meant you. I don't care to guess who he meant, but I don't agree with view that supporting Israel has to do with oil supply. In fact, I don't know how that point can be defended, but anyway, not my issue. What you do in these recent posts is falsely claim a point never made. What I stated is this: "Clearly, if we stopped supporting them they would lose capability, over time. But, Israel is quite capable of handling it's military needs for a period of time." There are three basic components to war. Strategic, tactical and logistical. The Israelis don't have any strategic or tactical need from the US. They have great systems and great planning. One would have to be completely ignorant of the history of the Six Day war or Yom Kippur to not conclude this. What they do require, since they are surrounded by many countries who are trying to kill them, is logistical support. They have nowhere near the size of economy to develop and produce a capable air force fighter, among other things. They have limited ability in electronic warfare, and very limited air to air refueling capability. They are brilliant producers of electronics, medical products and advanced technological devices. They also develop what weapons they buy from us into into variations that suit their needs. They also have an incredible on the the ground human intel component, which allows them to succeed in doing things like they have done in the past two weeks, since snubbed by the US administration. 7 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: they don't need it according to Sherpa. It would be analogous to giving tax breaks to wealthy people. So yes, I'm against it. Oh and Ukraine is an ally. Stop the stupid BS. Edited October 2 by sherpa
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 2 Posted October 2 2 minutes ago, sherpa said: What they do require, since they are surrounded by many countries who are trying to kill them, is logistical support. They have nowhere near the size of economy to develop and produce a capable air force fighter, among other things. They have limited ability in electronic warfare, and very limited air to air refueling capability. ok, so not independently capable indefinitely. So, if they do need our money and logistical support, we need something in return. That would be influence over their military operations using our resources. You act shocked at this take while almost half the country is going to vote for a man that sees everything in economic transactional terms, especially alliances like NATO.
sherpa Posted October 2 Posted October 2 10 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: ok, so not independently capable indefinitely. So, if they do need our money and logistical support, we need something in return. That would be influence over their military operations using our resources. You act shocked at this take while almost half the country is going to vote for a man that sees everything in economic transactional terms, especially alliances like NATO. This has gotten too stupid to continue. Not interested in the least about thread creep to discuss our election. We don't control Israel. They are a fierce and capable ally, our only truly reliable one in that area. 2
Doc Posted October 2 Posted October 2 22 hours ago, Roundybout said: Biden’s foreign policy is very poor. He is not able to control Bibi from his dream of WW3 in the Middle East Sounds good, just don’t you f-ing dare to say the GOP is the party of “world peace” then. Just like we can dispense with the notion that Islam is the “religion of peace.” 21 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Bibi ignoring our requests is much worse than our "insults". He wants war to solidify his tenuous position and to take out Irans Nuke sites. I'm not at all sure that he is an ally. Don't trust him at all. No more than the murderous Saudi prince trump likes so much. Middle east is full of despotic, evil leaders right now. We all should want Israel to take out Iran’s nuke sites. And I hope they do.
sherpa Posted October 2 Posted October 2 44 minutes ago, Doc said: We all should want Israel to take out Iran’s nuke sites. And I hope they do. A very difficult task.
Westside Posted October 2 Posted October 2 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: they don't need it according to Sherpa. It would be analogous to giving tax breaks to wealthy people. So yes, I'm against it. Oh and Ukraine is an ally. Hoax. Ukraine is not and have never been our Allie. What the hell does helping our allies in their time of need have to do with tax breaks to the rich? Totally horrible analogy. You’re letting your antisemitism get in the way of rational thinking. You're so full of hate it’s actually quite sad. Your life must really suck. Maybe it’s not as great as you claim it to be. 🤷🏻 You’re very weird. 1
Roundybout Posted October 3 Posted October 3 16 hours ago, Westside said: Hoax. Ukraine is not and have never been our Allie. What the hell does helping our allies in their time of need have to do with tax breaks to the rich? Totally horrible analogy. You’re letting your antisemitism get in the way of rational thinking. You're so full of hate it’s actually quite sad. Your life must really suck. Maybe it’s not as great as you claim it to be. 🤷🏻 You’re very weird. Curious why you don’t call our your ally @LeviF who is openly out as an antisemite 1
Tommy Callahan Posted October 3 Posted October 3 59 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Curious why you don’t call our your ally @LeviF who is openly out as an antisemite Cause he is busy calling you out for what you are. It is what it is. 2
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 3 Posted October 3 Israel is preparing a response to Iran's missile attack and its possible they'll include sites involved in Iran's nuclear program and oil production facilities. Targeting oil production has got to scare the pants of the DNC leadership. Commodity traders have been banging down crude oil prices on the futures markets for over a month and they're all massively short the market. Any action that take 3 or 4 million barrels off the market is going to result in a big swing higher in prices. We've seen some of that in the past couple days. And rev up inflation and gasoline prices. Right at the time East coast and Gulf ports are experiencing strikes. Biden has indicated he will not intervene and order the strikers back to work. Speculation is he doesn't want to offend union supporters but I think he's doing it out of vengeance to sabotage the candidacy of Harris/Waltz after the party threw him out on the garbage pile. 1 1
Westside Posted October 3 Posted October 3 5 hours ago, Roundybout said: Curious why you don’t call our your ally @LeviF who is openly out as an antisemite Curious how you NEVER call out any leftists when they make an asinine comment. You must approve of their stupid ignorant racist remarks. Weird.
wnyguy Posted October 3 Posted October 3 12 minutes ago, Westside said: Curious how you NEVER call out any leftists when they make an asinine comment. You must approve of their stupid ignorant racist remarks. Weird. That's because he's usually the one making the asinine comment in the first place. 2
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted October 3 Posted October 3 44 minutes ago, wnyguy said: That's because he's usually the one making the asinine comment in the first place. The way he posts, he can't be above the age of 30. If he is, that's really sad. 4
Doc Posted October 3 Posted October 3 On 10/2/2024 at 3:21 PM, sherpa said: A very difficult task. No doubt. But if anyone can do it, Israel can. I bet they have every site mapped out and with people on the inside, ready to go at a moments notice.
LeviF Posted October 3 Posted October 3 7 hours ago, Roundybout said: Curious why you don’t call our your ally @LeviF who is openly out as an antisemite I just hope both sides have fun. 1
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