Tommy Callahan Posted Tuesday at 10:00 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:00 PM (edited) 3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: i don't want blood. I want to enable a willing ally to weaken one of our biggest threats. Welp. I don't think the results matched the stories you told yourself. Saw on tv. You support actions that did the opposite of what you just stated was the goal. Edited Tuesday at 10:02 PM by Tommy Callahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Tuesday at 10:05 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:05 PM (edited) 6 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: Welp. I don't think the results matched the stories you told yourself. Saw on tv. You support actions that did the opposite of what you just stated was the goal. they're staring stagflation in the face. they're straining vital international relationships and their young people are dying at a staggering rate over a war they started. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/russia-is-about-to-face-the-moment-of-truth-on-an-economic-lifeline-from-china/ar-AA1rqpcI https://apnews.com/article/russia-economy-central-bank-interest-rate-7aeaed4f26b8ce34eb91d16e46226d16 Edited Tuesday at 10:07 PM by Joe Ferguson forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted Tuesday at 10:07 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:07 PM 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: they're staring deflation in the face. they're straining vital international relationships and their young people are dying at a staggering rate over a war they started. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/russia-is-about-to-face-the-moment-of-truth-on-an-economic-lifeline-from-china/ar-AA1rqpcI You are trying to hard and your hate is showing. Again... It's consumed you and caused you to lack logic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sherpa Posted Tuesday at 10:24 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:24 PM 49 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Bibi wants all out war. That’s his end goal. Ridiculous. He is defending his country against thousands of attacks. Israel didn't start this. Iran, through Hamas and Hezbollah did, and he has a time frame to effect it. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted Tuesday at 10:44 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:44 PM 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: how would they do if we cut off money and weapons? that's the window you speak of. so no, they're not doing just fine without us. I think you are not informed of this. Clearly, if we stopped supporting them they would lose capability, over time. But, Israel is quite capable of handling it's military needs for a period of time. In fact, after the apparent rebuke from the US, which was ill advised and insulting, and seemingly loosened the reigns, they are doing much better. Israel is not in a state of complete dependency on the US. What they are is an extremely successful democracy in an area of no other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Tuesday at 10:50 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:50 PM 4 minutes ago, sherpa said: I think you are not informed of this. Clearly, if we stopped supporting them they would lose capability, over time. But, Israel is quite capable of handling it's military needs for a period of time. In fact, after the apparent rebuke from the US, which was ill advised and insulting, and seemingly loosened the reigns, they are doing much better. Israel is not in a state of complete dependency on the US. What they are is an extremely successful democracy in an area of no other. What they are is a hostile aggressive colonialist country causing extreme global risks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted Tuesday at 10:53 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:53 PM Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said: What they are is a hostile aggressive colonialist country causing extreme global risks. Absolute bull#### and end of conversation. If they were "colonist" they would have never given up the Sinai, which they controlled, and never stopped when they had both Damascus and Cairo in their sites. Your view is neither accurate nor informed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Tuesday at 11:00 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:00 PM 6 minutes ago, sherpa said: Absolute bull#### and end of conversation. If they were "colonist" they would have never given up the Sinai, which they controlled, and never stopped when they had both Damascus and Cairo in their sites. Your view is neither accurate nor informed. is palestine occupied? For how long? Are they stealing more land for "settlements"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted Tuesday at 11:08 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:08 PM (edited) 8 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: is palestine occupied? For how long? Are they stealing more land for "settlements"? Jordan was Palestine. PLO tried to overthrow Hussein and got launched into Lebanon where they morphed into Hezbollah, who has now trashed that country, all supported by Iran, who wants to eliminate every Jew on earth. Not an Israeli issue to settle. Again, and you as others and always, refuse to answer, they had the Sinai, Damascus and Cairo and didn't move on those. So how are they expansionist of colonizers? Edited Tuesday at 11:09 PM by sherpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Tuesday at 11:20 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:20 PM (edited) 13 minutes ago, sherpa said: Jordan was Palestine. PLO tried to overthrow Hussein and got launched into Lebanon where they morphed into Hezbollah, who has now trashed that country, all supported by Iran, who wants to eliminate every Jew on earth. Not an Israeli issue to settle. Again, and you as others and always, refuse to answer, they had the Sinai, Damascus and Cairo and didn't move on those. So how are they expansionist of colonizers? Maybe it's just me but the map on the link looks expansionist. Just because they didn't expand to those areas doesn't negate other expansion. If you are correct about Israel's independent military capabilities, then our money is buying nothing. Influence over the gov't is the primary payment and they're withholding it. Cut em off and let them go it alone. https://www.vox.com/world/2016/12/30/14088842/israeli-settlements-explained-in-5-charts Edited Tuesday at 11:22 PM by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted Tuesday at 11:57 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:57 PM 26 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Maybe it's just me but the map on the link looks expansionist. Just because they didn't expand to those areas doesn't negate other expansion. If you are correct about Israel's independent military capabilities, then our money is buying nothing. Influence over the gov't is the primary payment and they're withholding it. Cut em off and let them go it alone. https://www.vox.com/world/2016/12/30/14088842/israeli-settlements-explained-in-5-charts They are a sovereign nation under attack. We don't control their response. Grossly arrogant to suggest we do, and Netanyahu has more honor and dignity than anyone on the US side. domestic issues aside. They have 60-80,000 citizens as refuge status in their own country. Their supposed number one ally in the world rejects attending a Senate speech, when she is the Constitutional head of the Senate, then has the UN rep refuse to attend Netanyahu's UN speech. How much more can this clueless administration disrespect them? I hope he does whatever he can until the election, and hope that this recent incredible success vs Hezbollah continures. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Tuesday at 11:59 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:59 PM (edited) 2 minutes ago, sherpa said: They are a sovereign nation under attack. We don't control their response. Grossly arrogant to suggest we do, and Netanyahu has more honor and dignity than anyone on the US side. domestic issues aside. They have 60-80,000 citizens as refuge status in their own country. Their supposed number one ally in the world rejects attending a Senate speech, when she is the Constitutional head of the Senate, then has the UN rep refuse to attend Netanyahu's UN speech. How much more can this clueless administration disrespect them? I hope he does whatever he can until the election, and hope that this recent incredible success vs Hezbollah continures. what are we buying if not influence? if they're truly militarily independent, our aid won't change the result of their wars. Edited yesterday at 12:01 AM by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sherpa Posted yesterday at 12:16 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:16 AM 5 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: what are we buying if not influence? if they're truly militarily independent, our aid won't change the result of their wars. How disgusting is this claim? We don't "buy" a sovereign nation. They are a fiercely successful, independent, democratic nation of about 10 million people fighting against countries wanting to destroy from every direction, at all times. We can't "buy" them, nor should we ever attempt to. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr-Bills Posted yesterday at 12:20 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:20 AM (edited) 26 minutes ago, sherpa said: They are a sovereign nation under attack. We don't control their response. Grossly arrogant to suggest we do, and Netanyahu has more honor and dignity than anyone on the US side. domestic issues aside. They have 60-80,000 citizens as refuge status in their own country. Their supposed number one ally in the world rejects attending a Senate speech, when she is the Constitutional head of the Senate, then has the UN rep refuse to attend Netanyahu's UN speech. How much more can this clueless administration disrespect them? I hope he does whatever he can until the election, and hope that this recent incredible success vs Hezbollah continures. Disrespect a war criminal? That's your angle on this. He should never have disrespected the US Congress and he is a charged ward criminal by the UN so having him speak there is "awkward" October 7th was horrific. Gaza since then has been horrific as well. Israel has a right to peace and security and so do the Palestinians. Additionally The active government sponsored resettlement of Israelis in occupied territories does smack of colonization. maybe not 17th century style but still. "STATUS OF SETTLEMENTS UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW Israel’s policy of settling its civilians in occupied Palestinian territory and displacing the local population contravenes fundamental rules of international humanitarian law. Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention states: “The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.” It also prohibits the “individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory”. " This whole thing is a no win situation until both sides have had enough, based on past actions that could take a few thousand more years. 7 minutes ago, sherpa said: How disgusting is this claim? We don't "buy" a sovereign nation. They are a fiercely successful, independent, democratic nation of about 10 million people fighting against countries wanting to destroy from every direction, at all times. We can't "buy" them, nor should we ever attempt to. Operative word: Dictionary - Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more in·flu·ence /ˈinflo͝oəns/ noun the capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of someone or something, or the effect itself. "the influence of television violence" verb have an influence on. "sometimes simple changes in a business environment can influence behavior" Edited yesterday at 12:24 AM by Starr-Bills Clarity in definition layout 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted yesterday at 12:22 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:22 AM 5 minutes ago, sherpa said: How disgusting is this claim? We don't "buy" a sovereign nation. They are a fiercely successful, independent, democratic nation of about 10 million people fighting against countries wanting to destroy from every direction, at all times. We can't "buy" them, nor should we ever attempt to. What do we get in return for our money? You conveniently avoided answering the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted yesterday at 01:11 AM Share Posted yesterday at 01:11 AM 42 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: What do we get in return for our money? You conveniently avoided answering the question. I'm not avoiding any question. What do we get for our money? How disgusting a proposal. Do you donate to any cause? Any religious organization? Donate your time? Do you ask what you "got for your money?" What an avaricious suggestion. We support Israel because it's the right thing to do and they are allies. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago (edited) 9 hours ago, sherpa said: I'm not avoiding any question. What do we get for our money? How disgusting a proposal. Do you donate to any cause? Any religious organization? Donate your time? Do you ask what you "got for your money?" What an avaricious suggestion. We support Israel because it's the right thing to do and they are allies. ah, we supply weapons to kill arabs from the goodness of our hearts....wow. and you said they don't need them. they can go it alone. so we're really not contributing anything...Israel is not a charity. certainly not on I support. Ridiculous analogy Edited 22 hours ago by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago (edited) 8 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: ah, we supply weapons to kill arabs from the goodness of our hearts....wow. and you said they don't need them. they can go it alone. so we're really not contributing anything... Don't let them foool you. It's all about maintaining "order," in the Middle East to keep the oil supply flowing at reasonable prices. Its all just business. This continued strategy communicates the government analysts conclude oil and gas are going to be around for much longer than the renewable story being peddled to the public. Otherwise, we'd just get out of this snakepit. Just watch what happens if Iran tries to close the Straits of Hormuz. The US Navy will arrive with guns blazzin. Edited 22 hours ago by All_Pro_Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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