Tommy Callahan Posted Tuesday at 09:08 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:08 PM 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Bibi ignoring our requests is much worse than our "insults"? He wants war to solidify his tenuous position and to take out Irans Nuke sites. I'm not at all sure that he is an ally. Don't trust him at all. No more than the murderous Saudi prince trump likes so much. Middle east is full of despotic, evil leaders right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Tuesday at 09:12 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:12 PM 2 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: when was this? regardless, I disagree with him. I am not a zionist...but I'd certainly still vote for him over trump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted Tuesday at 09:13 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:13 PM 6 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: tell that to the MAGAs here re Ukraine. About $200B (US & Europe) has been poured into Ukraine which is something like 4 times bigger than Russia's entire annual military budget. It would appear money spent and weapons supplied are not an issue. Lack of execution, availability of well-trained soldiers are the main problems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr-Bills Posted Tuesday at 09:13 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:13 PM 4 minutes ago, sherpa said: VP Harris doesn't show up at a Congressional Netanyahu appearance. He is a war criminal, and under multiple indictments by his own people and there were daily protests of tens of thousands of people against him prior to the October 7 attack. He conveniently ignored intelligence, telling him the attack was coming. he refuses to negotiate, rumor has it that he’s negotiated with Trump to escalate this conflict to make Biden/Harris look bad. but sure the problem is the fact that Harris didn’t honor a war criminal under indictment leader of another country to speak at the US Congress. you’re a smart guy, but her not meeting with him has nothing to do with this. It’s not in his political interest to resolve this conflict because then attention would be focus on him his crimes and his naked attempt to grab/stay in power in Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted Tuesday at 09:15 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:15 PM 2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Bibi ignoring our requests is much worse than our "insults". He wants war to solidify his tenuous position and to take out Irans Nuke sites. I'm not at all sure that he is an ally. Don't trust him at all. No more than the murderous Saudi prince trump likes so much. Middle east is full of despotic, evil leaders right now. Couldn't disagree more. No surprise. If he wanted to go against US policy and take out Iranian nuke sites, it would have been done by now. That is not an informed view, either militarily or strategically. He has had a brilliant two weeks while the Biden Administration has been absent and lost, as always. Israel's two weeks are analogous to their achievements in the Six Day War and Yom Kippur, and their leading ally has been purposeless, removed and ignorant. They fight for their lives, we refuse to allow our VP to attend extremely important events at the US Congress and UN. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Tuesday at 09:16 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:16 PM 7 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: https://www.yahoo.com/news/zionist-means-needs-israel-biden-150105586.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted Tuesday at 09:16 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:16 PM 2 minutes ago, Starr-Bills said: He is a war criminal, and under multiple indictments by his own people and there were daily protests of tens of thousands of people against him prior to the October 7 attack. He conveniently ignored intelligence, telling him the attack was coming. he refuses to negotiate, rumor has it that he’s negotiated with Trump to escalate this conflict to make Biden/Harris look bad. but sure the problem is the fact that Harris didn’t honor a war criminal under indictment leader of another country to speak at the US Congress. you’re a smart guy, but her not meeting with him has nothing to do with this. It’s not in his political interest to resolve this conflict because then attention would be focus on him his crimes and his naked attempt to grab/stay in power in Israel. She's unburdened by what has been, ya know? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Tuesday at 09:17 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:17 PM (edited) 4 minutes ago, sherpa said: Couldn't disagree more. No surprise. If he wanted to go against US policy and take out Iranian nuke sites, it would have been done by now. That is not an informed view, either militarily or strategically. He has had a brilliant two weeks while the Biden Administration has been absent and lost, as always. Israel's two weeks are analogous to their achievements in the Six Day War and Yom Kippur, and their leading ally has been purposeless, removed and ignorant. They fight for their lives, we refuse to allow our VP to attend extremely important events at the US Congress and UN. They need us more than we need them. what happened to America first? Naftali Bennett on CNN saying Israel needs to take out Iran nuke sites. He's a former Israeli pm. Edited Tuesday at 09:20 PM by Joe Ferguson forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr-Bills Posted Tuesday at 09:20 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:20 PM 3 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: About $200B (US & Europe) has been poured into Ukraine which is something like 4 times bigger than Russia's entire annual military budget. It would appear money spent and weapons supplied are not an issue. Lack of execution, availability of well-trained soldiers are the main problems. It’s important to note that of the $175 billion total, only $106 billion directly aids the government of Ukraine. Most of the remainder is funding various U.S. activities associated with the war in Ukraine, and a small portion supports other affected countries in the region. Ukraine war has cost Russia up to $211 billion, Pentagon says so not quite $200B and not twice Russia’s defense budget (and this is before equalizing for cheaper labor etc in Russia). question is why talk about Ukraine and Russia in an Israel / Iran thread? are they related? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted Tuesday at 09:21 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:21 PM Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said: They need us more than we need them. what happened to America first? Frankly, I don't think you understand the reality of this at all, on so many levels. They are doing just fine without us, which has been the case for the past few months. I think Netanyahu has finally figured out, after his visit with it's Administration insults, is that he has a time window to get done what absolutely needs to get done, and that time line is up to, but not beyond, the US election. I have no idea how this election will turn out, but if Trump wins, this thing turns. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted Tuesday at 09:22 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:22 PM (edited) Iran just showed the world why it can never have nukes. Hamas and hesbolla are just military wings of Iran He has been an open zionist for as he has been in politics. That video is him referencing him first saying it on video, 30 years ago. Edited Tuesday at 09:24 PM by Tommy Callahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted Tuesday at 09:25 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:25 PM (edited) 13 minutes ago, Starr-Bills said: He is a war criminal, and under multiple indictments by his own people and there were daily protests of tens of thousands of people against him prior to the October 7 attack. He conveniently ignored intelligence, telling him the attack was coming. he refuses to negotiate, rumor has it that he’s negotiated with Trump to escalate this conflict to make Biden/Harris look bad. but sure the problem is the fact that Harris didn’t honor a war criminal under indictment leader of another country to speak at the US Congress. you’re a smart guy, but her not meeting with him has nothing to do with this. It’s not in his political interest to resolve this conflict because then attention would be focus on him his crimes and his naked attempt to grab/stay in power in Israel. Nobody that's clearly winning any conflict or fight has any incentive or reason to negotiate. The solution here is obvious. Hamas and Hezbollah should surrender. 7 minutes ago, Starr-Bills said: It’s important to note that of the $175 billion total, only $106 billion directly aids the government of Ukraine. Most of the remainder is funding various U.S. activities associated with the war in Ukraine, and a small portion supports other affected countries in the region. Ukraine war has cost Russia up to $211 billion, Pentagon says so not quite $200B and not twice Russia’s defense budget (and this is before equalizing for cheaper labor etc in Russia). question is why talk about Ukraine and Russia in an Israel / Iran thread? are they related? Because @Joe Ferguson forever brought it up. Ask him that question. Edited Tuesday at 09:27 PM by All_Pro_Bills 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr-Bills Posted Tuesday at 09:29 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:29 PM 1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Nobody that's clearly winning any conflict or fight has any incentive or reason to negotiate. The solution here is obvious. Hamas and Hezbollah should surrender. I believe they have signaled/agreed to stop. Bibi wants conflict not peace. Hamas official says group would lay down its arms if an independent Palestinian state is established 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Tuesday at 09:29 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:29 PM (edited) 8 minutes ago, sherpa said: They are doing just fine without us, how would they do if we cut off money and weapons? that's the window you speak of. so no, they're not doing just fine without us. Edited Tuesday at 09:30 PM by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted Tuesday at 09:30 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:30 PM 8 minutes ago, sherpa said: Frankly, I don't think you understand the reality of this at all, on so many levels. They are doing just fine without us, which has been the case for the past few months. I think Netanyahu has finally figured out, after his visit with it's Administration insults, is that he has a time window to get done what absolutely needs to get done, and that time line is up to, but not beyond, the US election. I have no idea how this election will turn out, but if Trump wins, this thing turns. Bibi wants all out war. That’s his end goal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Tuesday at 09:35 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:35 PM 3 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Bibi wants all out war. That’s his end goal. he wants to take out Iran and its proxies. He will and the US will pay in treasure and probably blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted Tuesday at 09:52 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:52 PM 16 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: he wants to take out Iran and its proxies. He will and the US will pay in treasure and probably blood. Iran's Ally is Russia. I thought you wanted that. Proxies is code for terrorist that the left supports and quotes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Tuesday at 09:54 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:54 PM Just now, Tommy Callahan said: Iran's Ally is Russia. I thought you wanted that. Proxies is code for terrorist that the left supports and quotes? i wanted what? russia? i don't even want to visit russia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted Tuesday at 09:56 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:56 PM 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: i wanted what? russia? i don't even want to visit russia. Blood. It's been dripping from every post about Ukraine for over a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Tuesday at 09:58 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:58 PM 1 minute ago, Tommy Callahan said: Blood. It's been dripping from every post about Ukraine for over a decade. i don't want blood. I want to enable a willing ally to weaken one of our biggest threats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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