leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 1 Posted June 1 6 hours ago, Tiberius said: So Biden, famous for adapting the tragic story of his son’s death to meet circumstances—and who traded an arms dealer for a lady who broke the laws of another country—is down with playing politics on hostages both alive and dead? I understand we disagree on many issues, and I’ve stayed out of this for the most part, but wtf is this all about? Broker the ceasefire. Squeeze Israel to return some prisoners who will ultimately rejoin the fight. But why on earth would he proposed this ghoulish plan? The only way this makes sense is in the scenario where the bodies are so defiled that he wants Israel out of Gaza to lessen the likelihood of response. Why would Israel accept it? 1
Tiberius Posted June 1 Author Posted June 1 33 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: So Biden, famous for adapting the tragic story of his son’s death to meet circumstances—and who traded an arms dealer for a lady who broke the laws of another country—is down with playing politics on hostages both alive and dead? I understand we disagree on many issues, and I’ve stayed out of this for the most part, but wtf is this all about? Broker the ceasefire. Squeeze Israel to return some prisoners who will ultimately rejoin the fight. But why on earth would he proposed this ghoulish plan? The only way this makes sense is in the scenario where the bodies are so defiled that he wants Israel out of Gaza to lessen the likelihood of response. Why would Israel accept it? Peace has to start somewhere. Getting hostages back to their families. Can't believe you are criticizing getting a hostage back from Putin's gulag, wow. Yes, we sure see things differently
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 1 Posted June 1 50 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Peace has to start somewhere. Getting hostages back to their families. Can't believe you are criticizing getting a hostage back from Putin's gulag, wow. Yes, we sure see things differently No Fuzzy Lumpkins, I wasn’t criticizing getting Brittney Grenier back, though I think JB was weak in that regard and Putin knew he could roll him. In fact, Hamas apparently knows how to roll him too. It is interesting how you see things when it’s Israeli men, women and children being brutalized. You’re actually convinced that demanding the release of all kidnapped citizens as a condition of the ceasefire is a bad idea. 1 2
B-Man Posted June 3 Posted June 3 Biden's Delusions About Hamas Continue In case you missed it yesterday, Joe Biden announced a new plan to end the war in Gaza. It's a complicated proposal that would include an immediate ceasefire and the release of some hostages. It would supposedly lead to a permanent ceasefire. Biden also claimed that Israel had "accepted" the terms. Some of you may be wondering how that could happen when Israel hasn't finished eliminating all of Hamas' fighters yet. That's an excellent point. But according to the President, there's no need to do that because Hamas has been "devastated" and they are now "incapable of carrying out another October 7th attack." That will probably come as news to Israel. https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2024/06/01/bidens-delusions-about-hamas-continue-n3789451
Tiberius Posted June 3 Author Posted June 3 Send others to die! Not God's chosen ones! What, only suckers and losers should serve? https://www.yahoo.com/news/israeli-justices-press-government-religious-132200178.html JERUSALEM (Reuters) - The top Israeli court heard responses by the state on Sunday to challenges against exemptions granted to ultra-Orthodox Jews from military conscription, a long-standing source of friction with more secular citizens now inflamed by the long Gaza war. In the name of equality, the Supreme Court in 2018 voided a law waiving the call-up for ultra-Orthodox men who want to study in seminaries instead. Parliament failed to come up with an alternative arrangement, and a government-ordered stay on a mandatory mobilisation of ultra-Orthodox expired in March. That has left Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu scrambling to agree with ultra-Orthodox coalition partners on a military service compromise that might preempt any Supreme Court ruling that Israel's fasted-growing minority must be forcibly drafted. "We're not on quiet waters. We are at war, and the need (for military personnel) cries out," one of nine justices hearing the case, Noam Solberg, told a government lawyer who argued that it was still too early for an ultra-Orthodox mass-conscription. With fighting against Palestinian Hamas militants in Gaza and related violence on the Lebanese border exacting the highest troop casualties in decades, many Israelis resent their fellow citizens being spared their share of the risk. The ultra-Orthodox claim the right to study in seminaries instead of serving in uniform for the standard three years. Some say their pious lifestyles would clash with military mores, while others voice ideological opposition to the liberal state.
The Frankish Reich Posted June 3 Posted June 3 https://allisrael.com/red-heifers-in-israel-a-sign-of-the-end-of-the-world As crazy as it sounds, a bunch of red cows from Texas have sparked conspiracy theories about the Third Temple, the wars of Gog and Magog and Armageddon, and the coming of the Antichrist. All very sane. And yet it is the unreligious who are a threat? (I always liked that Gog and Magog thing. Sounds like a little kid made it up)
Doc Posted June 3 Posted June 3 "Repubs hate women and LGBTQ+! They need to be wiped-off the face of the Earth!" "Palestinians actually kill women and LGBTQ+." "***** your feelings!" 1
reddogblitz Posted June 4 Posted June 4 On 6/3/2024 at 8:15 AM, Tiberius said: Send others to die! Not God's chosen ones! What, only suckers and losers should serve? https://www.yahoo.com/news/israeli-justices-press-government-religious-132200178.html JERUSALEM (Reuters) - The top Israeli court heard responses by the state on Sunday to challenges against exemptions granted to ultra-Orthodox Jews from military conscription, a long-standing source of friction with more secular citizens now inflamed by the long Gaza war. In the name of equality, the Supreme Court in 2018 voided a law waiving the call-up for ultra-Orthodox men who want to study in seminaries instead. Parliament failed to come up with an alternative arrangement, and a government-ordered stay on a mandatory mobilisation of ultra-Orthodox expired in March. That has left Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu scrambling to agree with ultra-Orthodox coalition partners on a military service compromise that might preempt any Supreme Court ruling that Israel's fasted-growing minority must be forcibly drafted. "We're not on quiet waters. We are at war, and the need (for military personnel) cries out," one of nine justices hearing the case, Noam Solberg, told a government lawyer who argued that it was still too early for an ultra-Orthodox mass-conscription. With fighting against Palestinian Hamas militants in Gaza and related violence on the Lebanese border exacting the highest troop casualties in decades, many Israelis resent their fellow citizens being spared their share of the risk. The ultra-Orthodox claim the right to study in seminaries instead of serving in uniform for the standard three years. Some say their pious lifestyles would clash with military mores, while others voice ideological opposition to the liberal state. So they have deferments for some like we did in Viet Nam in which our illustrious leaders (Presidents Trump and Biden) each took 4. If you don't like deferments I suppose you could vote for RFK Jr. He was too young to get one.
The Frankish Reich Posted June 4 Posted June 4 21 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: So they have deferments for some like we did in Viet Nam in which our illustrious leaders (Presidents Trump and Biden) each took 4. If you don't like deferments I suppose you could vote for RFK Jr. He was too young to get one. It's a pretty crazily skewed demographic problem. The ultra Orthodox are growing in population and political power, egging on some of the most extreme policies like expansion of West Bank settlements. Yet they have been exempt from military service despite stirring up tensions that require a strong military. The situation isn't what we had in the USA in the Vietnam era, since the exemptions/deferments weren't skewed toward proponents of one party or policy. By the way, what ever became of Trump's famous bone spurs?
Tenhigh Posted June 4 Posted June 4 7 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: It's a pretty crazily skewed demographic problem. The ultra Orthodox are growing in population and political power, egging on some of the most extreme policies like expansion of West Bank settlements. Yet they have been exempt from military service despite stirring up tensions that require a strong military. The situation isn't what we had in the USA in the Vietnam era, since the exemptions/deferments weren't skewed toward proponents of one party or policy. By the way, what ever became of Trump's famous bone spurs? They got magically healed with self- purported football star Biden's asthma. 1
reddogblitz Posted June 4 Posted June 4 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: By the way, what ever became of Trump's famous bone spurs? Not sure. You would have to ask him that. Is that any less unpatriotic than asthma? What ever became of President Biden's asthma? Didn't seem to be bothering him on his bike ride the other day. Just admit it. They both took the rich man's way out of Viet Nam. Edited June 4 by reddogblitz
ComradeKayAdams Posted June 5 Posted June 5 On 6/1/2024 at 6:38 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said: No Fuzzy Lumpkins, I wasn’t criticizing getting Brittney Grenier back, though I think JB was weak in that regard and Putin knew he could roll him. In fact, Hamas apparently knows how to roll him too. It is interesting how you see things when it’s Israeli men, women and children being brutalized. You’re actually convinced that demanding the release of all kidnapped citizens as a condition of the ceasefire is a bad idea. A Powerpuff Girls reference?? Leh-nerd, you had my curiosity…but now you have my attention. Hostages are the main negotiating leverage Hamas has over Israel, so demanding their full release is pointless before a suitable articulation of this Phase 2 criterion is met: “a permanent end to hostilities.” Unless Israel agrees beforehand to the end of apartheid practices or to the establishment of a separate Palestinian state, I don’t see why Hamas would bother entertaining such a condition to a peace agreement. The current peace proposal is obviously a good one for Palestinians because they badly need the humanitarian aid ASAP, but it’s also a good one for Israel because it’s in Israel’s financial and national security interests to avoid their international pariah state trajectory (and because some hostages released is always better than none). Acceptance of this proposal would also be ideal for Brokering Biden in terms of party coalition building and November electability. Better late than never, I suppose, even as Genocide Joe’s main leverage (the withholding of U.S. munitions) remains unutilized... Moot debate, however, since I believe Netanyahu already rejected the proposal. It should be apparent that hostage rescue and the defeat of Hamas (a practical impossibility, by the way) were secondary objectives to Israel’s government and to the IDF. It should have been apparent since late October that Israel’s main agenda was ethnic cleansing and a genocide to facilitate said cleansing. They want to finish in Gaza (plus the West Bank via acceleration of illegal settlements…plus southern Lebanon military encroachments…plus the Golan Heights) what they started with the Nakba in 1948. National security risks and/or make-believe Biblical mandates are the lies that Israelis tell themselves to justify their support of collective punishment, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. At least European settlers were a bit more forthright with Native Americans: they wanted their land and their resources, and they believed they were innately superior humans who could make better use of it all. Zionists have historically been far more duplicitous toward Palestinians, though the mask is slipping.
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