Israel and Iran

[SCBills]

Something’s going on right now, but the only place you’d realize that is on X

 

 

[Wacka]

RAV  -Real America's Voice was reporting on the Israeli retaliation at 9:30 PM.

[ComradeKayAdams]

13 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

You make some very good points. But I would like to dive a little further into what constitutes genocide in the Israel/Hamas situation.  In 1948, genocide was defined by the United Nations Genocide Committee.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

 

It is defined as:

 

 

a - both sides are guilty of killing the other group.

b - also covers rape as a mental and bodily harm. Hamas is definitely guilty of this.  

 

 

c - I believe this is the one most hang their hat on in regards to the open air prison. Israel could be said to be guilty of this.

d - Israel is definitely not doing this LOL.  Neither is Hamas.

e - neither side is doing this.

 

I can't say for sure there is or isn't. But if there is, neither side has clean hands.

 

Since the definition says any of the 5, it would seem to be 2 genocides going on there.

 

President Biden's Secretary of Defense, General Austin, says there's not a genocide going on.

 

I would refer to what Hamas has been doing as “terrorism,” not “genocide.” The difference lies in the power dynamics, the scale of application, and the nature of the political intent. Both Hamas and the Israeli government, however, are clearly guilty of horrific crimes against humanity. All involved participants should be removed from positions of power and brought before international courts of law.

 

Regarding your disagreement with definitional clause “D,” think about what a pregnant woman might need to successfully give birth to a baby: sufficient food (calories and nutrients), clean water, shelter (ideally with regulated temperatures), access to medical supplies, access to a hospital and a medical staff, safe and efficient transportation services, minimal stress and anxiety (i.e. no PTSD in a war zone), etc… If Israel is NOT deliberately imposing measures to prevent Gazan births, then they sure don’t seem too concerned about the welfare of the potential mothers, either!! But the pattern of humanitarian aid restrictions and hospital destruction, along with the reports of war crimes inside these hospitals, DO strongly suggest clause “D” genocidal intent.

 

General Austin can say whatever he wants about the slaughter in Gaza, but the conflict of interest within his professional position is apparent. He serves Genocide Joe’s administration (and would behave identically under Decimation Don’s). The United States is unsurprisingly loath to admit its role as an empire funding a genocidal vassal state, just as Israel is loath to admit its role as a settler colonial ethnostate seeking territorial control and regional hegemony.

[Doc]

If you want to call what Israel is doing to Gaza "genocide," you can blame Hamas for that. That's what happens when you use your own people as human shields, hide in schools/hospitals, etc. 

[Tiberius]

3 hours ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

 just as Israel is loath to admit its role as a settler colonial ethnostate seeking territorial control and regional hegemony.

Religious state?

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

If you want to call what Israel is doing to Gaza "genocide," you can blame Hamas for that. That's what happens when you use your own people as human shields, hide in schools/hospitals, etc. 

Hamas is to blame for bombing aide workers who were clearly marked and in contact with IDF?

On 4/16/2024 at 9:04 AM, LeviF said:

 

Just like a certain demographic in the US, Israel is allowed (with significant help from mainstream media...wonder why) to project the idea that history begins with the reactions to their provocations.

What demographic in US?

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Hamas is to blame for bombing aide workers who were clearly marked and in contact with IDF?

 

No.  And I never said they were.

[Tiberius]

53 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

No.  And I never said they were.

Good, there is blame to go around then 

[Tommy Callahan]

This is being shared by anti semites across social media. 

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

And it continues 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

 

[ComradeKayAdams]

On 4/19/2024 at 10:03 AM, Tiberius said:

Religious state?

 

No, Tibsy, Israel is an ethnostate. Secular Jews benefit from the same apartheid state privileges as do practicing religious Jews (the special legal status of the ultra-Orthodox notwithstanding…even though that was very recently overturned by law).

 

The U.S. shouldn’t be encouraging ethnostates by funding them. Until there is a one-state solution with equal rights for every Israeli citizen within the country’s borders (albeit with special constitutional protections for Jews from tyranny-of-the-majority complications), I doubt the endemic violence and political turmoil there can ever inherently go away. Two-state solutions, in my opinion, simply promote ethnic segregation and can’t practically resolve the illegal settlement issues (among so many other issues).

 

Having said that…a two-state solution of two adjacent ethnostates is FAR preferable to the status quo! Ultimately, it is up to Palestinians and Jewish Israelis to decide how they want to live there…I’m just a silly New Yorker…with beautiful long hair…just like you, Tibsy!!

[Tiberius]

50 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

No, Tibsy, Israel is an ethnostate. Secular Jews benefit from the same apartheid state privileges as do practicing religious Jews (the special legal status of the ultra-Orthodox notwithstanding…even though that was very recently overturned by law).

 

The U.S. shouldn’t be encouraging ethnostates by funding them. Until there is a one-state solution with equal rights for every Israeli citizen within the country’s borders (albeit with special constitutional protections for Jews from tyranny-of-the-majority complications), I doubt the endemic violence and political turmoil there can ever inherently go away. Two-state solutions, in my opinion, simply promote ethnic segregation and can’t practically resolve the illegal settlement issues (among so many other issues).

 

Having said that…a two-state solution of two adjacent ethnostates is FAR preferable to the status quo! Ultimately, it is up to Palestinians and Jewish Israelis to decide how they want to live there…I’m just a silly New Yorker…with beautiful long hair…just like you, Tibsy!!

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[B-Man]

 

 

One wishes that the US had accountability.

 

 

 

ACCOUNTABILITY: Israel’s Military Spy Chief Resigns Over Oct. 7 Hamas Attack.

 

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israels-military-spy-chief-quits-first-to-shoulder-blame-for-hamas-attack-945eba68

 

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[Tiberius]

 

[Biden is Mentally Fit]

 

[Doc]

15 hours ago, JDHillFan said:

 

Can't get the article.  What is the likely explanation?  That Hamas did it?

 

[Biden is Mentally Fit]

29 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Can't get the article.  What is the likely explanation?  That Hamas did it?

 

Basically “ Hamas reports atrocities”. 

[The Frankish Reich]

5 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Basically “ Hamas reports atrocities”. 

And the headline is misleading because ... what?

It reads "Says Gaza Defense."

[Biden is Mentally Fit]

17 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

And the headline is misleading because ... what?

It reads "Says Gaza Defense."

I know you mounted a half-hearted defense of Big Media a little bit earlier but it’s my opinion that running a headline like this, while factual, is certainly slanted to manipulate the reader into thinking “Israel bad”. It’s a story that CNN admits within cannot be confirmed. The word “Hamas” does not appear. 
 

As someone that removed Jews from the discussion while trying to argue on behalf of University presidents that were unwilling to declare harassment of Jews as being against university policy, it doesn’t surprise me that you take no issue here. 
 

 

[Tommy Callahan]