Justice Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 1/18/2024 at 2:39 PM, Tommy Callahan said: Why This is horrible. Let kids be kids. Just wondering though if those were Jewish kids and that was a Nazi would you feel the same way? On 1/20/2024 at 6:08 PM, Tiberius said: Very interesting article on the current state of the war on Gaza https://dnyuz.com/2024/01/20/in-strategic-bind-israel-weighs-freeing-hostages-against-destroying-hamas/ After more than 100 days of war, Israel’s limited progress in dismantling Hamas has raised doubts within the military’s high command about the near-term feasibility of achieving the country’s principal wartime objectives: eradicating Hamas and also liberating the Israeli hostages still in Gaza. The dual objectives of freeing the hostages and destroying Hamas are now mutually incompatible, according to interviews with four senior military leaders, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they were not permitted to speak publicly about their personal opinions. On Thursday, Gadi Eisenkot, a former army chief who is serving in the war cabinet, exposed a rift inside the government when he said in a television interview that it was an “illusion” to believe that the hostages could be rescued alive through military operations. “The situation in Gaza is such that the war aims have yet to be achieved,” said Mr. Eisenkot, adding: “For me, there’s no dilemma. The mission is to rescue civilians, ahead of killing an enemy.” The commanders said that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s equivocation about a postwar plan for Gaza was at least in part to blame for the military’s predicament on the battlefield. Mr. Netanyahu has yet to clarify how Gaza will be governed after the war — and the commanders said that without a long-term vision for the territory, the army could not make short-term tactical decisions about how to capture the parts of Gaza that remain beyond Israeli control. Capturing the southernmost part of Gaza, which lines the Egyptian border, would require greater coordination with Egypt. But Egypt is unwilling to engage without guarantees from Israel over the postwar plan, three of the commanders said. “Basically, it’s a stalemate,” said Andreas Krieg, a war expert at King’s College London. “It’s not an environment where you can free hostages,” he added. “It is an unwinnable war,” Dr. Krieg said. “Most of the time when you are in an unwinnable war, you realize that at some point — and you withdraw,” he added. “And they didn’t.” Define win. Their goal isn’t to wipe out Hamas as they say. It’s to make Gaza unlivable and force everyone to leave and take over the land. They are succeeding in that goal On 1/21/2024 at 2:46 PM, US Egg said: This is some random A-hole. Why even post this. Want me to show you some videos of Jewish people saying Jesus is in hell? On 1/21/2024 at 3:32 PM, sherpa said: Not that it matters, but Mary is revered in Islam. That faith has far more issues. Yes we do. Very high regard. We have an entire chapter in the Quran named after her. We recognize her as the the Virgin Mary mother of Jesus. What issues are you referring to? On 1/21/2024 at 4:19 PM, US Egg said: Any condemnation of the act from their brethren likely isnt forthcoming, .....pretty much like here, the Left and msm are pretty much mum on the countless Christian symbols that are descrated in the U.S. We gotta defend every single thing some random idiot does? Lol. Islamically it is haram (not permissible) to disrespect anyone’s religious beliefs. On 1/21/2024 at 4:19 PM, US Egg said: 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Sad off shoot of the war in Gaza Shouldn’t have been there in the first place. I do not feel sad or bad about this. Israel should fight its own battles 1
sherpa Posted January 23 Posted January 23 36 minutes ago, Justice said: Shouldn’t have been there in the first place. I do not feel sad or bad about this. Israel should fight its own battles So the rest of the world should simply stand by and watch Iran supply wacky terrorists so they can fire weapons at legal shipping in international waters? It is OK to disrupt international trade by trying to sink non combatants, and kill the people on them? OK. 1
Justice Posted January 23 Posted January 23 5 hours ago, sherpa said: So the rest of the world should simply stand by and watch Iran supply wacky terrorists so they can fire weapons at legal shipping in international waters? It is OK to disrupt international trade by trying to sink non combatants, and kill the people on them? OK. Yes. The rest of the world should sit there and do nothing just like they are sitting there doing nothing for Gaza. Nobody is killing Israelis on Hamas’ behalf. Israel has a bunch of foreigners joining the Diaper Force. Fight your own battles, Israel. I haven’t heard about the Houthis killing anyone until the US and UK began bombing them. Is it ok to disrupt international waters? Is it ok to stop goods from coming and going you mean? Think long and hard about that one before you ask it. It’s a hypocritical question. There’s been a blockade on Gaza for years.
sherpa Posted January 24 Posted January 24 17 minutes ago, Justice said: Yes. The rest of the world should sit there and do nothing just like they are sitting there doing nothing for Gaza. Nobody is killing Israelis on Hamas’ behalf. Israel has a bunch of foreigners joining the Diaper Force. Fight your own battles, Israel. I haven’t heard about the Houthis killing anyone until the US and UK began bombing them. Is it ok to disrupt international waters? Is it ok to stop goods from coming and going you mean? Think long and hard about that one before you ask it. It’s a hypocritical question. There’s been a blockade on Gaza for years. You have your timeline wrong. No surprise. The US, UK and other members of a large coalition did nothing until this subcontractor, among many, of Iran decided to launch weapons to disrupt and kill non combatants. Gaza blockades are the result of Iranian weapons shipments used to indiscriminately kill Israeli citizens. No government allows that. There is no justification for what the Houthis are doing, and no legitimate "woe is me" argument, anymore than claiming that all our women are whores. You, by the way, are not the first in that culture that I have heard make that preposterous claim. 1 1
Justice Posted January 24 Posted January 24 (edited) 45 minutes ago, sherpa said: You have your timeline wrong. No surprise. The US, UK and other members of a large coalition did nothing until this subcontractor, among many, of Iran decided to launch weapons to disrupt and kill non combatants. Gaza blockades are the result of Iranian weapons shipments used to indiscriminately kill Israeli citizens. No government allows that. There is no justification for what the Houthis are doing, and no legitimate "woe is me" argument, anymore than claiming that all our women are whores. You, by the way, are not the first in that culture that I have heard make that preposterous claim. Lol. No. I can’t!!! Lmao. Omg!!! I’m dying!!! Lol seriously though I said I didn’t hear about the houthis killing anyone. I didn’t say it didn’t happen. Provide a link then. The burden of proof is on you. I can’t find where it says they did. That blockade only worked at hurting the civilians. We all seen how many rockets Hamas has so spare me. Define ***** Edited January 24 by Justice
sherpa Posted January 24 Posted January 24 10 hours ago, Justice said: Lol. No. I can’t!!! Lmao. Omg!!! I’m dying!!! Lol seriously though I said I didn’t hear about the houthis killing anyone. I didn’t say it didn’t happen. Provide a link then. The burden of proof is on you. I can’t find where it says they did. That blockade only worked at hurting the civilians. We all seen how many rockets Hamas has so spare me. Define ***** They should be allowed to disrupt international shipping as long as they don't kill anyone? Do you think that they have any level of control over what happens when an anti ship missile with a warhead impacts a commercial, non armored vessel with civilians simply doing their jobs onboard? The rest of the world should tolerate this becasue they suck at it and haven't managed to kill anyone yet? They have been firing missiles and guiding drones at Israel. They have boarded and hijacked a commercial ship in the Red Sea. They have attacked more than two dozen other ships with missiles, drones and speed boats. Does any rational, thinking human being believe this is justified or that they are only attacking weapons shipments to Israel? You've already got the time line wrong. Now you provide some bizarre logic that these actions, by a non-state group of rebels is justified becasue they haven't succeeded in killing anyone, though they have hit commercial ships. Thankfully, not too many nations agree with you. 1 1
Justice Posted January 24 Posted January 24 1 hour ago, sherpa said: They should be allowed to disrupt international shipping as long as they don't kill anyone? Do you think that they have any level of control over what happens when an anti ship missile with a warhead impacts a commercial, non armored vessel with civilians simply doing their jobs onboard? The rest of the world should tolerate this becasue they suck at it and haven't managed to kill anyone yet? They have been firing missiles and guiding drones at Israel. They have boarded and hijacked a commercial ship in the Red Sea. They have attacked more than two dozen other ships with missiles, drones and speed boats. Does any rational, thinking human being believe this is justified or that they are only attacking weapons shipments to Israel? You've already got the time line wrong. Now you provide some bizarre logic that these actions, by a non-state group of rebels is justified becasue they haven't succeeded in killing anyone, though they have hit commercial ships. Thankfully, not too many nations agree with you. Your credibility is zero here. Lots of baseless claims and now you’re walking back your comments on deaths. I said the world should sit back and do nothing JUST LIKE how they’re sitting back and doing nothing for the people of Gaza. They’re eating cats over there. And yes they were only targeting Israeli ships at first. Let ISRAEL FIGHT THEIR OWN BATTLES for once!! Get off your hands and knees and be a man and not someone’s attack dog. Like I said before I’m here to point out the hypocrisy. Blockades hurt. Not getting goods shipped and delivered hurt!! The Gazans have been living under those conditions for years. Israel can’t take it for a couple of months. Is it an act of war or not?? You said there’s a blockade because they get weapons… well it looks like they’re getting those weapons anyways! Did you even agree to that point? Nope! You played blind. No surprise! 1
sherpa Posted January 24 Posted January 24 I have zero interest in your judgement of my credibility here. I have had the opportunity to be part of the force that has defended shipping in that part of the world, and I am familiar with what is involved and how both sides operate. I am extremely aware of similar situations in the past, Operation Praying Mantis for one, where the US Navy sunk half the Iranian Navy in half a day, and could have finished the job but was ordered to stand down. I have serious doubts about someone who says that our women are whores, that the loss of two Seals doesn't matter becasue "they shouldn't be there," and makes a lot of other stupid claims like putting US strikes against offensive missiles preparing to launch against defenseless commercial ships ahead of those launces, exactly the opposite of how this whack a mole operation actually happened. By the way, I don't play blind to anything. I simply don't read everything posted here, and am especially not interested in crazy stuff. Still, to the issue of weapons getting to Gaza and Hezbollah, of course they get them. There are many ways to get them through using land routes through Syria. That's why the world sees the occasional strike against these shipments, and why a manufacturing/storage facility in the Sudan was struck a few years ago. 1
Tiberius Posted January 24 Author Posted January 24 19 hours ago, sherpa said: So the rest of the world should simply stand by and watch Iran supply wacky terrorists so they can fire weapons at legal shipping in international waters? It is OK to disrupt international trade by trying to sink non combatants, and kill the people on them? OK. Putin's a wacky terrorist and Iran is supplying him with weapons to kill civilians. You have been strangely quiet on doing anything about that. 1
sherpa Posted January 24 Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Putin's a wacky terrorist and Iran is supplying him with weapons to kill civilians. You have been strangely quiet on doing anything about that. Nothing strange about it. I've expressed my support of the Ukraine against Russia many times. No need to post the same crap every day, over and over.......Oh wait.......I'm talking to the wrong guy. 1 2
B-Man Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Hamas has refused. Probably because most of their hostages are dead. . 1
Justice Posted January 24 Posted January 24 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: Putin's a wacky terrorist and Iran is supplying him with weapons to kill civilians. You have been strangely quiet on doing anything about that. Well we like to fight the weak. We don’t dare step up to anyone with any real power. 20 minutes ago, B-Man said: Hamas has refused. Probably because most of their hostages are dead. . I don’t think there can be anything psychologically worse than knowing an attack will resume after two months if I’m a civilian in Gaza. I’d take it with hopes that it doesn’t resume but when it does that would be devastating. 1
sherpa Posted January 24 Posted January 24 9 minutes ago, Justice said: Well we like to fight the weak. We don’t dare step up to anyone with any real power. More nonsense. We don't like to fight anyone. We are just reluctant to start WWIII with a massive nuclear risk over things that have a less than critical national interest. That makes a lot of sense to me. 1
Justice Posted January 24 Posted January 24 8 minutes ago, sherpa said: More nonsense. We don't like to fight anyone. We are just reluctant to start WWIII with a massive nuclear risk over things that have a less than critical national interest. That makes a lot of sense to me. Lol here you go again. Every action we have taken in the last 100 days is edging us towards WW3. Yeah we don’t like to fight anyone. We have military bases all over the world and we’re number one in military spending and by a very wide margin. 1
sherpa Posted January 24 Posted January 24 38 minutes ago, Justice said: Lol here you go again. Every action we have taken in the last 100 days is edging us towards WW3. Yeah we don’t like to fight anyone. We have military bases all over the world and we’re number one in military spending and by a very wide margin. And this posture and policy of deterrence has prevented a cataclysmic WWIII for a very long time. Far longer than it took Europe to get into one between I and II. Doesn't bother me that you don't like it, but it seems to have worked, and there's a generation of soldiers here raising their families and living their lives that are grateful. 1 1
Justice Posted January 24 Posted January 24 9 minutes ago, sherpa said: And this posture and policy of deterrence has prevented a cataclysmic WWIII for a very long time. Far longer than it took Europe to get into one between I and II. Doesn't bother me that you don't like it, but it seems to have worked, and there's a generation of soldiers here raising their families and living their lives that are grateful. I agree with this but that doesn’t appear to be the case right now
Irv Posted January 24 Posted January 24 (edited) When do we or the Israeli's nuke Gaza, Syria, and Iran? Wasting time with conventional warfare with these religious maniac sand trash They will never get it, until one or two of these "countries" are vaporized by a nuclear bomb. Biden botching another thing. What a mess. Edited January 24 by Irv
yall Posted January 24 Posted January 24 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Irv said: When do we or the Israeli's nuke Gaza, Syria, and Iran? Wasting time with conventional warfare with these religious maniac sand trash They will never get it, until one or two of these counties are vaporized by a nuclear bomb. Biden botching another thing. What a mess. Sand *****? Sorry but pointing out that there are a good number of religious maniacs is one thing but you just descended into straight up racism. Edited January 24 by yall Grammar 1 1
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