Israel and Iran

[yall]

19 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No Putin is a terrorist 

 

He is also christian 

 

God bless you 😀

Iran might have The Bomb soon. Thats's rather unsettling 

It's crazy unsettling because I fear they may use it. As far as being rational actors they are right up there with NK.

 

 

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, yall said:

It's crazy unsettling because I fear they may use it. As far as being rational actors they are right up there with NK.

 

 

Just the threat of them using it is a problem. Atomic diplomacy with those actors won’t be fun. 

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Just the threat of them using it is a problem. Atomic diplomacy with those actors won’t be fun. 

Hopefully they never get to that point.

 

Even if another Studnex is needed.

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

36 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No Putin is a terrorist 

 

 

Sadly Putin isn't doing anything remotely different than any other leader of any country previously or currently engaged in warfare and most likely anyone else in the future.

[Tiberius]

16 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Sadly Putin isn't doing anything remotely different than any other leader of any country previously or currently engaged in warfare and most likely anyone else in the future.

In a war he started against a peaceful nation. You make it sound ok. 

 

Sick

[All_Pro_Bills]

34 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

In a war he started against a peaceful nation. You make it sound ok. 

 

Sick

Peaceful?  The Ukrainian government was shelling and attacking civilian targets in the Eastern provinces since 2014.  

 

I should add, for some interesting perspective and history on the evolution and changes in the moving and shifting borders of Ukraine I recommend reading this blog item from Stockman.  Starting at the heading "Next On Deck – The Ukraine Disaster".

 

https://original.antiwar.com/David_Stockman/2023/11/28/how-american-neocons-wrecked-the-middle-east-and-ukrain/

 

 

Edited December 4, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills

[Tiberius]

14 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Peaceful?  The Ukrainian government was shelling and attacking civilian targets in the Eastern provinces since 2014.  

 

I should add, for some interesting perspective and history on the evolution and changes in the moving and shifting borders of Ukraine I recommend reading this blog item from Stockman.  Starting at the heading "Next On Deck – The Ukraine Disaster".

 

https://original.antiwar.com/David_Stockman/2023/11/28/how-american-neocons-wrecked-the-middle-east-and-ukrain/

 

 

Is HAMAS the same, too? Just another wartime organization?

 

2014? The first time they were attacked?  Ukraine had it's land taken away, that's why it was fighting. 

 

You Putin apologist are a sick lot 

[Tommy Callahan]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Is HAMAS the same, too? Just another wartime organization?

 

2014? The first time they were attacked?  Ukraine had it's land taken away, that's why it was fighting. 

 

You Putin apologist are a sick lot 

Welp. in 2014 is when the western backed coup (Euromaiden) happened, and in turn the separatist regions with +75% Russian citizens, broke away.  

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

13 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

Welp. in 2014 is when the western backed coup (Euromaiden) happened, and in turn the separatist regions with +75% Russian citizens, broke away.  

 

 

 

 

You mean the people overthrew the corrupt Kremlin backed regime. 👏

 

You fascists lie like you are eating ice cream. 

 

You are trying to turn our country into a nation like trashy Russia 

[Irv]

C'mon already.  Will somebody, anybody nuke Gaza?  Enough playing around.  

[Tiberius]

27 minutes ago, Irv said:

C'mon already.  Will somebody, anybody nuke Gaza?  Enough playing around.  

Unless something changes soon, Iran will be talking about nuking Israel in the not to distant future. 

 

At least Obama tried buying us time 

[Tommy Callahan]

55 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You mean the people overthrew the corrupt Kremlin backed regime. 👏

 

You fascists lie like you are eating ice cream. 

 

You are trying to turn our country into a nation like trashy Russia 

remember when you used the word blowback?

 

The euro maiden removed a democratically elected government,

 

Nulan handing out cookies.

 

Clinton was SOS.  And you know how the Kissinger disciples love regime changes.

 

On 4 February 2014,[61] a YouTube post[62] revealed a phone conversation between Victoria Nuland, Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, and Geoffrey R. Pyatt, United States Ambassador to Ukraine, in which Nuland, referring to Vitali Klitschko as 'Klitsch' and Arseniy Yatsenyuk as 'Yats', stated "I don't think Klitsch should go into the government. I don't think it's necessary. I don't think it's a good idea... I think Yats is the guy... ." Nuland went on to state that Robert Serry and UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon will be used to put pressure on Ukrainian leaders, including the opposition, to circumvent the EU, specifically Nuland exclaimed "and, you know, ***** the E.U.

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

remember when you used the word blowback?

 

The euro maiden removed a democratically elected government,

 

Nulan handing out cookies.

 

Clinton was SOS.  And you know how the Kissinger disciples love regime changes.

 

On 4 February 2014,[61] a YouTube post[62] revealed a phone conversation between Victoria Nuland, Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, and Geoffrey R. Pyatt, United States Ambassador to Ukraine, in which Nuland, referring to Vitali Klitschko as 'Klitsch' and Arseniy Yatsenyuk as 'Yats', stated "I don't think Klitsch should go into the government. I don't think it's necessary. I don't think it's a good idea... I think Yats is the guy... ." Nuland went on to state that Robert Serry and UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon will be used to put pressure on Ukrainian leaders, including the opposition, to circumvent the EU, specifically Nuland exclaimed "and, you know, ***** the E.U.

 

 

 

 

So democratic the people overthrew it. You can take your bull sh ** and shove it 

[Tommy Callahan]

31 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So democratic the people overthrew it. You can take your bull sh ** and shove it 

democratic like voted in. coup, is not democratic.

 

And yes, the disputed regions also had an election. 

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

18 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

democratic like voted in. coup, is not democratic.

 

And yes, the disputed regions also had an election. 

 

 

 

 

Putin's "elections" 

 

You really are a fascist stooge. F u 

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Is HAMAS the same, too? Just another wartime organization?

 

2014? The first time they were attacked?  Ukraine had it's land taken away, that's why it was fighting. 

 

You Putin apologist are a sick lot 

You consistently lay claim to history in many arguments but ignore it here.   So I'll point out the historical error in your argument.  Historically, its not Ukraine's land.  That land was part of Russia for centuries.  It was transferred to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic by decree of a series of Russian dictators.  In 1991 the Soviet Union ceased to exist.  And the legitimacy of and power to enforce those decrees died with the USSR.  It wasn't some democratic process that brought those provinces under the rule of Kiev  Quite the contrary.  Just the opposite. 

 

The Minsk accords were agreed to which keep those provinces under Ukraine but provided a high degree of autonomy to the region.  So far so good.  And that expression of democracy and civil resolution to the situation should appeal quite nicely.  But under Obama by the Maidan coup and then under Biden, we stuck our noses into a civil war.  By massively arming one side, Biden's crew torpedoed the Minsk agreements that kept a relative peace and in the process totally screwed up the entire world economy and weakened our standing as world leader.  The long and short of it is, its none of our business what country those provinces choose to align with or not.  The citizens of those provinces being ethic Russians prefer being aligned with Russia.  

 

The other truth is the majority of Ukrainians in the western part of the country could care less if those provinces are aligned with Russia or Ukraine.  Unlike naive Americans mindlessly waving Blue and Yellow flags endorsing and supporting bloody and senseless warfare, they're quite aware of their country's history.  Many have fled the country to avoid the war and conscription.  I just don't see why Americans think the citizens of Ukraine should have any obligation to fight and die over some piece of dirt because their bought and paid for government officials and powerful oligarchs in the country along with officials in the US and NATO decided to send them off to war in some failed attempt to weaken Russia.

 

 

Edited December 4, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

You consistently lay claim to history in many arguments but ignore it here.   So I'll point out the historical error in your argument.  Historically, its not Ukraine's land.  That land was part of Russia for centuries.  It was transferred to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic by decree of a series of Russian dictators.  In 1991 the Soviet Union ceased to exist.  And the legitimacy of and power to enforce those decrees died with the USSR.  It wasn't some democratic process that brought those provinces under the rule of Kiev  Quite the contrary.  Just the opposite. 

 

The Minsk accords were agreed to which keep those provinces under Ukraine but provided a high degree of autonomy to the region.  So far so good.  And that expression of democracy and civil resolution to the situation should appeal quite nicely.  But under Obama by the Maidan coup and then under Biden, we stuck our noses into a civil war.  By massively arming one side, Biden's crew torpedoed the Minsk agreements that kept a relative peace and in the process totally screwed up the entire world economy and weakening our standing as world leader.  The long and short of it is, its none of our business what country those provinces choose to align with or not.  The citizens of those provinces being ethic Russians prefer being aligned with Russia.  

 

The other truth is the majority of Ukrainians in the western part of the country could care less if those provinces are aligned with Russia or Ukraine.  Unlike naive Americans mindlessly waving Blue and Yellow flags endorsing and support bloody and senseless warfare, they're quite aware of their countries history.  Many have fled the country to avoid the war and conscription.  I just don't see why Americans think the citizens of Ukraine should have any obligation to fight and die over some piece of dirt because their bought and paid for government officials and powerful oligarchs in the country along with officials in the US and NATO decided to send them off to war in some failed attempt to weaken Russia.

 

 

Russia viciously seized the area. 

 

The false elections you guys are using as evidence that these people want to stay in Russia were frauds. Crimea is obviously part of Ukraine and not Russia

 

The "none of  our business" argument is also crap. Russia wants the Crimea for the Black Sea naval fleet to send out it's evil ships to cause mischief. Russia quest for warm waters ports comes at the expense of the free nations of the world. F them 

[Tommy Callahan]

13 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Russia viciously seized the area. 

 

The false elections you guys are using as evidence that these people want to stay in Russia were frauds. Crimea is obviously part of Ukraine and not Russia

 

The "none of  our business" argument is also crap. Russia wants the Crimea for the Black Sea naval fleet to send out it's evil ships to cause mischief. Russia quest for warm waters ports comes at the expense of the free nations of the world. F them 

Crimea for the port to the black sea, the disputed regions for the energy source and logistics to Crimea.

 

And your aware Ukraine gained independence when Russia fell.  in 91

 

Crimea was an independent entity from 92-95

 

With the dissolution of the Soviet Union and Ukrainian independence the majority ethnic Russian Crimean peninsula was reorganized as the Republic of Crimea,[53][54] after a 1991 referendum with the Crimean authorities pushing for more independence from Ukraine and closer links with Russia. In 1995, the Republic was forcibly abolished by Ukraine with the Autonomous Republic of Crimea established firmly under Ukrainian authority.[55] There were also intermittent tensions with Russia over the Soviet Fleet, although a 1997 treaty partitioned the Soviet Black Sea Fleet allowing Russia to continue basing its fleet in Sevastopol with the lease extended in 2010. As a result of the overthrow of the relatively pro-Russian president Yanukovych, Russian annexed Crimea in 2014.

 

What do you see as a peace deal?  or just a meat grinder for ever?

 

 

 

 

[aristocrat]

 

[Justice]

6 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

They’re charging their phones using energy created on a bicycle. How embarrassing for you. 

Edited December 4, 2023 by Justice