Israel and Iran

[Joe Ferguson forever]

6 hours ago, wnyguy said:

Wedge to 3 iron?

no.  lob wedge to 6 iron.  adams hybrid 3.  old 4,5 from same model (but S vs R shafts in the old ones)- regripped.  205 out of utility club so go from there.  Called Dallas golf about matched shaft for all.  said go to your pro have him measure swing speed , loft, attack angle etc.  Get back to us....very impressive dude.  it's a f'in hard game and it hurts my back but God, I love it.  Oh, and my groups mutually cheat..roll ball in fairway, gimmes inside the leather etc.  but they're rules and we play them.

Edited November 11, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[Andy1]

21 hours ago, Justice said:

Lots of questions here about how Israel should handle this situation. It’s extremely difficult to answer that question. Nobody can argue with a people fighting for their future, their land, their way of life. This goes both ways.
 

There is no easy way out. All I know is violence will only bring more violence and the cycle will continue no matter what happens to Hamas. Some other group will take their place. The best defense is peace. A real peace. 
 

I believe more than anything who you side with in this conflict says a lot about each and every one of us. 
 

My parents were born in Palestine and were forced to flee in 67. I recognize Israel’s right to exist. I also think Palestinians are entitled to their own land too. 
 

Lots of people argue Palestine never existed. I for one don’t care what you call it. Fact is Arabs were there and have a legitimate claim. The Jewish people also have a legitimate claim. So where do we turn from here?

 

I stand with both. I stand with peace. The holy land belongs to everyone imo. Christians, the Jewish people and Muslims. 
 

From what I understand evangelicals need Israel to belong to the Jewish people so that Jesus can return and bring about end of times.
 

Muslims also believe the same exact thing but believe Jesus will side with the Muslims.

 

Most Jewish people believe it’s a miracle the Jewish people regained control of Israel therefore they’re entitled to the land now and that this will expedite the return of their messiah and bring about peace. If you ask me they’re taking a huge risk in overtaking the land now. They’re not supposed to be there. The scriptures said they would be exiled. It clearly states Israel will not exist until their messiah returns. Orthodox Jews who support Palestine are the vast minority but they fear the creation of a Jewish state now is against God’s plan.

 

Even if you don’t agree with the Neturei Karta there are still dangers in backing an Israeli state. They believe their temple is below Al-Aqsa mosque. They want to destroy Al-Aqsa and build their temple. This will surely lead to even more wars and chaos. 
 

Which leads me to what I want and what I’ve always wanted. A one state solution where everyone has equal rights. We need to delay end of times for as long as possible as far as I’m concerned. How can one justify supporting anything that can lead to end of times?

 

Everyone slams Iran for trying to destroy Israel to bring about end of times and rightfully so. But what about the USA? Our support will lead to the same results. 
 

This situation is a clusterf**k. There is no winning here for anybody. F it. Officially rename it the holy land and give equal rights to everyone. 

 

 

 

The world needs more moderate voices connected to the Israel-Palestinian conflict to speak out. As an outside observer, it seems to me that the extremists define the issues so often. I like to think that most people, the silent majority, are not on the extremes and just want to live peacefully. 
 

I believe that as long as the Palestinian people allow Hamas to exist, they will forever be suffering. Hamas will continue to attack Israel and the cycle of violence will continue, to the delight of Hamas. Sadly, as in every war, innocent people are suffering and dying. Hamas wanted this war.
 

Under the right conditions, wars can be followed by peace, but both sides have to want stability and peace more than they want revenge. When the culture celebrates every Palestinian who dies as a martyr, they don’t seem ready for peace. I don’t think a single state solution would ever be accepted by Israel since Isralis would not want to be out numbered by Palestinians. Peace seemed so close during the Clinton administration and so far away now. Both sides need leaders who want peace more than war. It’s a totally f’d up situation. 

[Tommy Callahan]

 

Edited November 11, 2023 by Tommy Callahan

[Tommy Callahan]

 

Edited November 11, 2023 by Tommy Callahan

[Tiberius]

 

[aristocrat]

15 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

did you read my last post.  I'm not rich.  Not that I wouldn't like to be but in honesty I'm comfortable where I am.  That's a good thing esp in retirement.  I live 4hrs south of Richmond.  Rural.  Country.  People who can, hunt and fish.  People who will survive.  My people.

 

This however is bad

 

 

how on earth do you get along with those people and their polar opposite political views? 

[Tiberius]

On 11/9/2023 at 6:33 PM, sherpa said:

 

I am not going to waste time taking your assignments.

Do your own work.

Start by comparing a horrible event by a small, independent unit to an attack planned for a year and including the entire terrorist group.

Same can be said for abu ghraib.

That was basically one  night shift of one small unit.

Horrible, but not a military strategy being executed.

 

Additionally, those were prosecuted under the UCMJ.

Think the leadership of Hamas is going to prosecute?

They planned it.

 

That is nothing like the planning and barbarism under which the Hamas invasion, rape, beheading, torture, burning, evisceration of fetuses was undertaken as a controlled, planned strategy.

 

You outdo yourself every day.

Simply unimaginable how someone could conclude what you regularly do.

 

No, the actions by both were similar. Sexual violence, massacres, men, women and little children killed.

 

You are such an emotional thinker 

[sherpa]

21 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No, the actions by both were similar. Sexual violence, massacres, men, women and little children killed.

 

You are such an emotional thinker 

 

No. There is nothing emotional about the vast differences.

 

The out of control actions of an individual unit, completely un sanctioned by the UCMJ and US military authorities is absolutely not comparable to a government planned, equipped, formally trained and executed barbaric war crime, including the taking of hostages.

 

Military actions have spawned atrocities forever, but they are not condoned and prosecuted, usually.

 

[Biden is Mentally Fit]

17 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

I live 4hrs south of Richmond.

I know you are bad with numbers but if you are 4 hours south of Richmond you are damn near to South Carolina. Are you also directionally challenged?

[Tiberius]

24 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

No. There is nothing emotional about the vast differences.

 

The out of control actions of an individual unit, completely un sanctioned by the UCMJ and US military authorities is absolutely not comparable to a government planned, equipped, formally trained and executed barbaric war crime, including the taking of hostages.

 

Military actions have spawned atrocities forever, but they are not condoned and prosecuted, usually.

 

Massacre is a massacre 

 

Emotions 

[Tommy Callahan]

 

 

 

[sherpa]

14 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Massacre is a massacre 

 

Emotions 

One is the action of a rogue few, identified as a war crime and prosecuted by the governing authority.

Anathema to the US military.

 

The other is a planned strategy by  the governing authority, including the kidnapping of hostages.

 

There is no analogy.    

[Joe Ferguson forever]

42 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

I know you are bad with numbers but if you are 4 hours south of Richmond you are damn near to South Carolina. Are you also directionally challenged?

south west #######.  look at a map of Va

[Tommy Callahan]

 

[Tiberius]

47 minutes ago, sherpa said:

One is the action of a rogue few, identified as a war crime and prosecuted by the governing authority.

Anathema to the US military.

 

The other is a planned strategy by  the governing authority, including the kidnapping of hostages.

 

There is no analogy.    

I said similar not exact. So yes, I agree they were not exactly the same. 

 

But they had deep similarities 

 

And the Governing authority, the US governnment didn't exactly hand out severe punishments. Only lowly Lt Calley was convicted, but Nixon put him on cozy house arrest for the murder of 22 people, he was released shortly thereafter

 

Ya, the governing authority really punished that

 

You claim to have served on the Kitty Hawk? What years was that? 

[Tommy Callahan]

 

[sherpa]

27 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

You claim to have served on the Kitty Hawk? What years was that? 

 

Why do you care?

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, JDHillFan said:

I know you are bad with numbers but if you are 4 hours south of Richmond you are damn near to South Carolina. Are you also directionally challenged?

@sherpaclearly deduced my vicinity when he invited me over the mountain.  But he's much smarter than you....

[Tommy Callahan]