Israel and Iran

[Warcodered]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Conquest 

 

 

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-11-7-2023-6e1425d218de6a73f8a51e4c036cfd39

KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip (AP) — Israel will take “overall security responsibility” in Gaza indefinitely after its war with Hamas, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said, the clearest indication yet that Israel plans to maintain control over the coastal enclave one month into a conflict that has claimed thousands of lives and leveled whole swaths of the territory.

In an interview with ABC News that aired late Monday, Netanyahu expressed openness to “little pauses” in the fighting to facilitate the delivery of aid to Gaza or the release of some of the more than 240 hostages seized by Hamas in its Oct. 7 attack into Israel that triggered the war.

 

 

My God, no wonder so many people around the world are angry

 

The Palestinian death toll has surpassed 10,000, the Health Ministry of the Hamas-run Gaza Strip said Monday, including over 4,100 minors. More than 2,300 people are missing and believed to be buried under the rubble of destroyed buildings, the ministry said. The ministry does not distinguish between civilians and combatants, and Israel says it has killed thousands of fighters.

Beyond that horrible death toll, at the end of the day someone is going to have to have responsibility for security in Gaza in the aftermath that's unavoidable and there's no way Israel is leaving it to Hamas when there entire goal now is to destroy them. Whether that should be Israel, a U.N. force, or Palestinian Authority is up for debate. Though while the latter might be more welcome I'm not sure how well they'd be able to do it as well as provide relief. U.N. feels like the best case to also provide help and eventually transition to their own control.

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Beyond that horrible death toll, at the end of the day someone is going to have to have responsibility for security in Gaza in the aftermath that's unavoidable and there's no way Israel is leaving it to Hamas when there entire goal now is to destroy them. Whether that should be Israel, a U.N. force, or Palestinian Authority is up for debate. Though while the latter might be more welcome I'm not sure how well they'd be able to do it as well as provide relief. U.N. feels like the best case to also provide help and eventually transition to their own control.

True. Not sure anything would work, but I wish the international community would come up with something. I'm sure that would be problematic, but probably the best of a lot of bad choices 

[Wacka]

UN has done such a god job around the world so far

[nedboy7]

7 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Hamas no longer using them as human shields and/or they're realizing that casting their lot with these monsters was a huge mistake?

Are you suggesting Hamas has a plan or any intelligence?  
 

6 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Beyond that horrible death toll, at the end of the day someone is going to have to have responsibility for security in Gaza in the aftermath that's unavoidable and there's no way Israel is leaving it to Hamas when there entire goal now is to destroy them. Whether that should be Israel, a U.N. force, or Palestinian Authority is up for debate. Though while the latter might be more welcome I'm not sure how well they'd be able to do it as well as provide relief. U.N. feels like the best case to also provide help and eventually transition to their own control.

Israeli Trump has claimed they will secure Gaza.  

Edited November 8, 2023 by nedboy7

[Tommy Callahan]

13 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

Israeli Trump has claimed they will secure Gaza

As crazy as it sounds. that's good for the Palestinian and Israeli citizens.  for the short term, till they can have elections.

 

Hamas terrorizes the Palestinians as bad or worse than they do to the Israelis.

 

And unlike the HAMAS Sharia law, Israel Law respects individual rights.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

14 hours ago, Wacka said:

UN has done such a god job around the world so far

So has Israel 

[Andy1]

 

[Tommy Callahan]

LOL at CNN newspeak.

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Coffeesforclosers]

7 hours ago, Andy1 said:

 

 

I knew Hamas was a death cult, but it's fun watching three different Hamas spokesmen say Hamas is a death cult.  And to different audiences at different times.

 

Glad they're all on the same page. At least the North Vietnamese dug bomb shelters along with tunnels. 

[Tiberius]

 

[Tiberius]

Gawd...animals 

This tends to make me think they recruited ISIS fighters, though that is just speculation on my part from reading about different wars

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

8 hours ago, Andy1 said:

 

I watched the clip, and thought he did a decent job outlining the challenges.  I'm not sure what's particularly powerful about it, or what's particularly nuanced here.  

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Gawd...animals 

This tends to make me think they recruited ISIS fighters, though that is just speculation on my part from reading about different wars

 

 

Yet all those American leftists are out in the streets protesting in support of Hamas.  Do you condemn them for supporting terrorists?

Edited November 9, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills

[BillsFanNC]

It was the Germans who bombed Pearl Harbor, right?

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[yall]

51 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

It was the Germans who bombed Pearl Harbor, right?

 

 

I can't tell if they're genuinely misinformed or purposefully being willfully ignorant because it might cause some cognitive dissonance in their pea-sized brains.

 

Really a good portion of the left has finally convinced me that they've lost their collective minds, presuming they ever had their full faculties about them.

 

Seeing people show up to protest a screening of a film showing a terrorist act and then starting fights is beyond the pale.

 

Funny thing is before Israel even responded people were criticizing Israel. Kind of tells me all I need to know about these people.

Edited November 9, 2023 by yall

[Tiberius]

20 minutes ago, yall said:

I can't tell if they're genuinely misinformed or purposefully being willfully ignorant because it might cause some cognitive dissonance in their pea-sized brains.

 

Really a good portion of the left has finally convinced me that they've lost their collective minds, presuming they ever had their full faculties about them.

 

Seeing people show up to protest a screening of a film showing a terrorist act and then starting fights is beyond the pale.

 

Funny thing is before Israel even responded people were criticizing Israel. Kind of tells me all I need to know about these people.

Ya, next thing you know people will be so stupid as to listen to what Trump says 

[Tommy Callahan]

The Guardian is reporting on a 3 day cease fire. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/nov/09/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-who-disease-gaza-us-strikes-iran-site-syria

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

53 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Ya, next thing you know people will be so stupid as to listen to what Trump says 

Trump's not running US ME policy.  Biden is.  So how stupid are people to listening to him?  Its a complete disaster.  From the initial atrocities committed by Hamas to the unrelenting no terms or conditions support for Israel's bombardment of Gaza while ignoring the death and casualty totals among the civilian population.  As usual this administration that gets nothing correct has no coherent plan to defuse or resolve the current problem beyond sending a couple aircraft carriers and some additional troops as a show of force.  Add in the Congress ever obedient to the defense contractors bottom lines with knee jerk billions of military aid to kill more people and this shitshow is headed for another unhappy ending.  The terrorist need to be dealt with as required but condoning and supporting Netanyahu's killing 10's of thousands of civilians to accomplish that task is unacceptable.