Israel and Iran

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Which has the higher death toll? 

[Doc]

No one serious reads Time anyway. 

[reddogblitz]

6 hours ago, Tiberius said:

In a rare announcement, the US military said a guided missile submarine has arrived in the Middle East, a message of deterrence clearly directed at regional adversaries as the Biden administration tries to avoid a broader conflict amid the Israel-Hamas war.

US Central Command said on social media Sunday that an Ohio-class submarine was entering its area of responsibility. A picture posted with the announcement appeared to show the sub in the Suez Canal northeast of Cairo.

The social media post did not name the sub, but the US Navy has four Ohio-class guided missile submarines, or SSGNs, which are former ballistic missile subs converted to fire Tomahawk cruise missiles rather than nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles.

Each SSGN can carry 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles, 50% more than US guided-missile destroyers pack and almost four times what the US Navy’s newest attack subs are armed with.

Each Tomahawk can carry up to a 1,000-pound high-explosive warhead.

“SSGNs can deliver a lot of firepower very rapidly,” said Carl Schuster, a former director of operations at the US Pacific Command’s Joint Intelligence Center told CNN in 2021.
“One-hundred and fifty-four Tomahawks accurately deliver a lot of punch. No opponent of the US can ignore the threat.”

The magnitude of that firepower was shown in March 2011, when the guided missile sub USS Florida fired almost 100 Tomahawks against targets in Libya during Operation Odyssey Dawn. The attack marked the first time the SSGNs were used in combat.

The military rarely announces the movements or operations of its fleet of ballistic and guided missile subs. Instead, the nuclear-powered vessels operate in near-complete secrecy.

Read more about the sub.

 

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-11-06-23/h_15248e80c11c42370a04e3c99405f97c

 

President Biden's trigger finger is getting itchy. He wants to get us on in another war. It's an election year and American's likely will not want to change Presidents in an "a time of war" or so he hopes.

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Which has the higher death toll? 

 

What an asinine question.

Who had the higher death toll in WWII?

Your spiral quickens. 

[reddogblitz]

6 hours ago, Tiberius said:

This is good: 

 

John Stewart on Israel/Gaza 

 

https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/116168/daily-show-jon-stewart-clip-israel-resurfaces

 

 

 

This is good. I usually don't like John Stewart and almost didn't watch it, but it's funny and totally spot on.

[Tiberius]

21 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

President Biden's trigger finger is getting itchy. He wants to get us on in another war. It's an election year and American's likely will not want to change Presidents in an "a time of war" or so he hopes.

Just deterrence. If the appeasement crowd had done that with Hitler, maybe no WW2 

22 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

What an asinine question.

Who had the higher death toll in WWII?

Your spiral quickens. 

No douche bag, this isn't WW2. The people of Gaza are suffering WAY more than the average Israeli, not even close. 

[reddogblitz]

22 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Just deterrence. If the appeasement crowd had done that with Hitler, maybe no WW2 

 

Perhaps. Or maybe it would have just gotten us into the thick of it faster and we would have had invade Japan too cuz we wouldn't have had time to build the nukes.  I don't know, and you don't either.

 

You say deterrence only but what if someone sinks one of our battleships or tries too?  Then it's game on.  Hopefully that does not happen but certainly could.

Edited November 6, 2023 by reddogblitz

[sherpa]

27 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

No douche bag, this isn't WW2. The people of Gaza are suffering WAY more than the average Israeli, not even close. 

 

You can call me whatever you want.

Not bothered by anything the class clown ever says.

 

When you hitch your wagon to a failed group/ideology/terrorist organization., as they have, maybe you even get the point, though not likely, you are going to suffer disproportionate results,

 

Israel's hands are not completely clean in this, but they are are a group who has been persecuted/ evicted/ had their land and property stolen over and over again, in many different countries/cultures over centuries.

By Arabs/Islam/ Catholics and Germans, who actually tried to exterminate them.

 

They are determined not to have it done again, and the defense of that small land is their last stand.

Are the terms diaspora or pogrom familiar to you?

 

The Arab world has jettisoned it's Palestinians over and over, leaving the problem at Israel's doorstep, and uses them as a surrogate instead of dealing with the issue.

 

You can call anyone on this site anything you want, but you expose yourself on a daily basis as an,,,,,,,,Fill in the blank.

Not my concern.

 

[Tiberius]

44 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

You can call me whatever you want.

Not bothered by anything the class clown ever says.

 

When you hitch your wagon to a failed group/ideology/terrorist organization., as they have, maybe you even get the point, though not likely, you are going to suffer disproportionate results,

 

Israel's hands are not completely clean in this, but they are are a group who has been persecuted/ evicted/ had their land and property stolen over and over again, in many different countries/cultures over centuries.

By Arabs/Islam/ Catholics and Germans, who actually tried to exterminate them.

 

They are determined not to have it done again, and the defense of that small land is their last stand.

Are the terms diaspora or pogrom familiar to you?

 

The Arab world has jettisoned it's Palestinians over and over, leaving the problem at Israel's doorstep, and uses them as a surrogate instead of dealing with the issue.

 

You can call anyone on this site anything you want, but you expose yourself on a daily basis as an,,,,,,,,Fill in the blank.

Not my concern.

 

Whatever stupid 

 

Keep chasing me, its funny 

[Precision]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Just deterrence. If the appeasement crowd had done that with Hitler, maybe no WW2 

No douche bag, this isn't WW2. The people of Gaza are suffering WAY more than the average Israeli, not even close. 

How about compared to Native Americans or any other ethnic group that lost land due to war or colonization?  Should any group that lost land at any time have the right to commit terrorism to get that land back?    

[Tiberius]

Just now, Precision said:

How about compared to Native Americans or any other ethnic group that lost land due to war or colonization?  Should any group that lost land at any time have the right to commit terrorism to get that land back?    

How about we just stick to what's happening? Why does it make you guys crap your pants by pointing out simple basic facts? 

 

The people of Gaza are suffering way more than the people of Israel

 

 

 

This guy says we risk another 9-11? What will create another 9-11 is what's going on now. Gees, wake up

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

54 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

 

When you hitch your wagon to a failed group/ideology/terrorist organization., as they have, maybe you even get the point, though not likely, you are going to suffer disproportionate results,

 

 

And, BTW, you are a liar 

 

You will be remembered as such from here on out 

[Precision]

7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

How about we just stick to what's happening? Why does it make you guys crap your pants by pointing out simple basic facts? 

 

The people of Gaza are suffering way more than the people of Israel

That's pretty much what I thought you would say.  Though tragic, the plight of the Palestinians is minor compared to Native Americans, Jews, Rwandans, Armenians, Ukrainians, etc, etc, etc.  At some point the Palestinians and the world need to move on from their loss of land, just like it has done hundreds of times in the past.

[Tiberius]

Just now, Precision said:

That's pretty much what I thought you would say.  Though tragic, the plight of the Palestinians is minor compared to Native Americans, Jews, Rwandans, Armenians, Ukrainians, etc, etc, etc.  At some point the Palestinians and the world need to move on from their loss of land, just like it has done hundreds of times in the past.

You call this minor? wow 

 

Ok 

[Doc]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Which has the higher death toll? 

 

Do you care if Russia has a higher death toll than Ukraine?

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Do you care if Russia has a higher death toll than Ukraine?

Have any Russian civilians been killed? 

[Doc]

14 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Have any Russian civilians been killed? 

 

Is Russia hiding among their civilians?  Are they preventing their people from leaving so that they can use them as human shields?

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Is Russia hiding among their civilians?  Are they preventing their people from leaving so that they can use them as human shields?

Oh no, they are just murdering, raping, bombing, kidnapping children and destroying critcal infrastructure. 

 

What was your point again? 

[sherpa]

30 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

And, BTW, you are a liar 

 

You will be remembered as such from here on out 

 

Really?

 

As you recall, or maybe don't, since you have posted this again, I have offered to deposit any amount of money in the charity of your choice if you can prove this claim.

 

You didn't respond.

 

The offer stands.

 

[Tiberius]

Just now, sherpa said:

 

Really?

 

As you recall, or maybe don't, since you have posted this again, I have offered to deposit any amount of money in the charity of your choice if you can prove this claim.

 

You didn't respond.

 

The offer stands.

 

Not what I was talking about