Israel and Iran

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

and who reimburses the Palestinians for their destroyed homes and biz's?

 

Hamas.

[Tiberius]

34 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

For those that remain it would be permanent occupation but they would have the right to leave into any country that would take them. If there was any solution of two states I would be happy with it but at this point it seems apparent that the Palestinians have no interest in allowing the Israelis to live peacefully. 

Who is the they in your statement? Every country in the Middle East has expelled them which is why they are stuck in Israel. 

Permanent occupation, or just a land grab then. Ok 

50 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

I expect there is a typo in this.

I think the author may have meant 500 kilometers in the range suggestion. It is a Scud ancestor.

500 meters is useless, unless you want to blow up you neighbors house, and with the size or the warhead, you'd likely get fragged by the blast.

 

Hey, good catch! I welcome people pointing out mistakes. Others don't 

14 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Hamas.

But they will be "destroyed" 

 

Seeing how Israel has not reimbursed Pals for land taken--or still being taken--, I guess they just have to deal with it, right? 

[Orlando Buffalo]

16 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

and who reimburses the Palestinians for their destroyed homes and biz's?

Is that really a concern to you? I am trying to have the least amount of lives lost and you are worried about the value of home. 

[Tiberius]

37 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

 Every country in the Middle East has expelled them which is why they are stuck in Israel. 

Sounds like how Europe and the United States rejected Jews, so they ended up in Palestine 

[Orlando Buffalo]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Sounds like how Europe and the United States rejected Jews, so they ended up in Palestine 

You are hopelessly ignorant. Explains why you think blacks in 1910 and 2010 in America had similar situations.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

43 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Is that really a concern to you? I am trying to have the least amount of lives lost and you are worried about the value of home. 

how bout this: we give the Israeli's mississippi or some other shitehole southern state.  The palestinians move to where Israel is....btw,  doesn't matter my concern.  It's the Palestinians who will remain "concerned".

Edited November 4, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said:

For those that remain it would be permanent occupation but they would have the right to leave into any country that would take them. If there was any solution of two states I would be happy with it but at this point it seems apparent that the Palestinians have no interest in allowing the Israelis to live peacefully. 

Who is the they in your statement? Every country in the Middle East has expelled them which is why they are stuck in Israel. 

The "Arabs" as in Fergy's quote.

I posted a list of Arab countries who have expelled them last week, and it's pretty much all of them.

22 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

how bout this: we give the Israeli's mississippi or some other shitehole southern state.  The palestinians move to where Israel is....btw,  doesn't matter my concern.  It's the Palestinians who will remain "concerned".

 

The days of any removal of the Israelis from their land are over.

Absent extermination, which has been tried before, it will never happen. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, sherpa said:

The "Arabs" as in Fergy's quote.

I posted a list of Arab countries who have expelled them last week, and it's pretty much all of them.

 

The days of any removal of the Israelis from their land are over.

Absent extermination, which has been tried before, it will never happen. 

no it won't happen.  What do u think should?  I say Biden needs to call for a ceasefire yesterday and then a middle east council should be formed to establish a Palestinian state

[sherpa]

7 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

no it won't happen.  What do u think should?  I say Biden needs to call for a ceasefire yesterday and then a middle east council should be formed to establish a Palestinian state

 

I don't think you have an accurate view of what is possible, and especially Biden's ability to influence this.

In fact, I don't think they take Biden seriously. That is not to say that the US doe not have influence, just not as much as if we had competent leadership.

His history re foreign policy is abysmal.

I pointed that out in a response to you a few weeks ago when you suggested the US jawbone Israel.

 

I listen to daily interviews with the ex Israeli Ambassador to the US. He is adamant in his claim that there is a misconception in the US of the Israeli attitude and view of how to respond to this barbarism. They are intent on eliminating Hamas from the Gaza.

If Hezbollah gets involved, Oh well.

If Iran gets "directly" involved so be it. I think they view a direct conflict with Iran as absolutely inevitable as things now stand.

 

To answer your question, there needs to emerge an Arab or host of Arab nation leadership that understands the reality of the need to cease trying to eliminate them, and identifies Iran as the poison behind all this and joins against them diplomatically, if not militarily.

If someone like that steps forward, and forms a coalition of like minded Arab states that desires a two state solution which does not involve ceasing existing Israeli land, something positive could happen.

 

That isn't on the horizon yet. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

5 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

I don't think you have an accurate view of what is possible, and especially Biden's ability to influence this.

In fact, I don't think they take Biden seriously. That is not to say that the US doe not have influence, just not as much as if we had competent leadership.

His history re foreign policy is abysmal.

I pointed that out in a response to you a few weeks ago when you suggested the US jawbone Israel.

 

I listen to daily interviews with the ex Israeli Ambassador to the US. He is adamant in his claim that there is a misconception in the US of the Israeli attitude and view of how to respond to this barbarism. They are intent on eliminating Hamas from the Gaza.

If Hezbollah gets involved, Oh well.

If Iran gets "directly" involved so be it. I think they view a direct conflict with Iran as absolutely inevitable as things now stand.

 

To answer your question, there needs to emerge an Arab or host of Arab nation leadership that understands the reality of the need to cease trying to eliminate them, and identifies Iran as the poison behind all this and joins against them diplomatically, if not militarily.

If someone like that steps forward, and forms a coalition of like minded Arab states that desires a two state solution which does not involve ceasing existing Israeli land, something positive could happen.

 

That isn't on the horizon yet. 

do u think we should attack iran w those big warships?  will that help?   Also, if Biden calls for ceasefire, it helps him politically regardless of whether Netena@$hole listens....

Edited November 4, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[B-Man]

 

 

How do you know Hamas is on the ropes as Israeli forces continue to encircle Northern Gaza? Because they are making offers like this. 

 

According to a new report, the terrorist government has offered to release all the civilian hostages it took on October 7th in exchange for just a five-day pause in hostilities.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/03/blinken-israel-visit-gaza-hamas-war/

 

 

It's not known exactly how connected the underground Hamas array is, but given the difficulty and expense of building tunnels, it is likely that the northern portions do not connect directly with the southern portions. That means that the clock is ticking on Hamas fighters now stuck in Northern Gaza. IDF troops are methodically making their way through the area, and it's just a matter of time before each and every tunnel is discovered and destroyed. 

 

A five-day pause would give Hamas the cover to exit those tunnels and retrench in the South, where most of the civilians are now located. In other words, it would simply play into the hands of terrorists who use women and children as human shields, causing even more death and suffering in the long run. 

 

 

 

 

Further, Hamas is also trying to smuggle its fighters across the border into Egypt where they would presumably find safety from Israeli strikes. 

 

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/11/04/hamas-cries-uncle-makes-desperate-hostage-offer-n2165899

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

 

How do you know Hamas is on the ropes as Israeli forces continue to encircle Northern Gaza? Because they are making offers like this. 

 

According to a new report, the terrorist government has offered to release all the civilian hostages it took on October 7th in exchange for just a five-day pause in hostilities.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/03/blinken-israel-visit-gaza-hamas-war/

 

 

It's not known exactly how connected the underground Hamas array is, but given the difficulty and expense of building tunnels, it is likely that the northern portions do not connect directly with the southern portions. That means that the clock is ticking on Hamas fighters now stuck in Northern Gaza. IDF troops are methodically making their way through the area, and it's just a matter of time before each and every tunnel is discovered and destroyed. 

 

A five-day pause would give Hamas the cover to exit those tunnels and retrench in the South, where most of the civilians are now located. In other words, it would simply play into the hands of terrorists who use women and children as human shields, causing even more death and suffering in the long run. 

 

 

 

 

Further, Hamas is also trying to smuggle its fighters across the border into Egypt where they would presumably find safety from Israeli strikes. 

 

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/11/04/hamas-cries-uncle-makes-desperate-hostage-offer-n2165899

cmon B man get off the sidelines.  is trump still your guy?

[sherpa]

9 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

do u think we should attack iran w those big warships?  will that help?   Also, if Biden calls for ceasefire, it helps him politically regardless of whether Netena@$hole listens....

 

Biden has no authority or leverage to call for a ceasefire, and it would not be listened to, and shouldn't be.

This is about Israel's existence.

In addition, in my view, the worst thing in the long term is to "help him politically."

You may not agree, (and keep Trump out of it), he should be long gone from the US foreign policy landscape for the betterment of the world.

 

To your question, I don't think we should attack Iran unless they do something egregious re Israel or our troops and sailors.

 

The best thing that could happen is that the sane, Iranian population gets rid of the existing Caliphate, and join the civilized world that is not getting messages from Allah.

They have a great culture and would be most welcome.

[BillStime]

 

[Justice]

4 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

Biden has no authority or leverage to call for a ceasefire, and it would not be listened to, and shouldn't be.

This is about Israel's existence.

In addition, in my view, the worst thing in the long term is to "help him politically."

You may not agree, (and keep Trump out of it), he should be long gone from the US foreign policy landscape for the betterment of the world.

 

To your question, I don't think we should attack Iran unless they do something egregious re Israel or our troops and sailors.

 

The best thing that could happen is that the sane, Iranian population gets rid of the existing Caliphate, and join the civilized world that is not getting messages from Allah.

They have a great culture and would be most welcome.

Lol yeah he’s just a paycheck for them. A limitless credit card that doesn’t have to be repaid. 
 

6 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

For those that remain it would be permanent occupation but they would have the right to leave into any country that would take them. If there was any solution of two states I would be happy with it but at this point it seems apparent that the Palestinians have no interest in allowing the Israelis to live peacefully. 

Who is the they in your statement? Every country in the Middle East has expelled them which is why they are stuck in Israel. 

I’m all for a one state solution. Israel will never ever allow that. You should know that though. The status quo will never work and this is what Israel wants. They’re content with the situation. Don’t let them fool you. 
 

Once upon a time Jewish people were expelled and weren’t wanted anywhere too. That don’t make it right. 

Edited November 4, 2023 by Justice

[sherpa]

8 minutes ago, Justice said:

Lol yeah he’s just a paycheck for them. A limitless credit card that doesn’t have to be repaid. 
 

I’m all for a one state solution. Israel will never ever allow that. You should know that though. The status quo will never work and this is what Israel wants. They’re content with the situation. Don’t let them fool you. 
 

Once upon a time Jewish people were expelled and weren’t wanted anywhere too. That don’t make it right. 

 

What exactly do you mean by a "one state solution"?

For historical accuracy, the Jewish people have been expelled far more than once.

[Justice]

5 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

What exactly do you mean by a "one state solution"?

For historical accuracy, the Jewish people have been expelled far more than once.

Israel. Equal rights to everyone.

Edited November 4, 2023 by Justice

[Tiberius]

6 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

You are hopelessly ignorant.  

What? Jews were not hated, like the Palestianians now,  in many countries? Do you know any history at all? Ever hear of the Holocaust? Pogroms? 

[sherpa]

3 minutes ago, Justice said:

Israel. Equal rights to everyone.

 

I'm intrigued

How is it ever possible to have a "one state solution" in Israel, when one group insists the other has no right to exist?

"Welcome to my neighborhood, and you have no right to exist."

 

In addition, while you point out the contributions of the US to Israel, you don't mention Iran's complete funding and support of not only Hamas, but the Islamic world's hatred of Israel, down to and including grammar school hatred indoctrination.

[reddogblitz]

6 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

some other shitehole southern state

 

I lobe how so many "liberals" have a Yankee superiority complex.  I live with one. Its gross.  And please tell me you were not one of ones slobbering mad when President Trump called other countries ***** hole countries.