sherpa Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: There was precision bombing in WW2 practiced by the 8th Army Air Force. And of course they were not as accurate as todays weapons eighty odd years later You miss the point. They could call it whatever they wanted at the time, but there was no bombing in WWII that could ever be called "precision" by today's standards. In those days it was slide rule ballistics and airplane deliver physics to arrive at a guess. That is not the way it is done now, nor since the late 70's. Eliminate a discussion of "pgm", (gps, ins.laser guided and other precision guided weapons). A simple dumb bomb from an F-15/16/18/35 or countless European attack aircraft, delivered in a not threat scenario can, and should be very accurate. Not "pick the window/exhaust stack" accurate, but certainly within 20'. And "in this window", or with active sensors "on this helmet," is certainly doable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 12 hours ago, sherpa said: You miss the point. They could call it whatever they wanted at the time, but there was no bombing in WWII that could ever be called "precision" by today's standards. In those days it was slide rule ballistics and airplane deliver physics to arrive at a guess. That is not the way it is done now, nor since the late 70's. Eliminate a discussion of "pgm", (gps, ins.laser guided and other precision guided weapons). A simple dumb bomb from an F-15/16/18/35 or countless European attack aircraft, delivered in a not threat scenario can, and should be very accurate. Not "pick the window/exhaust stack" accurate, but certainly within 20'. And "in this window", or with active sensors "on this helmet," is certainly doable. I didn't say compared to today. The USAAF had a precision bombing doctrine that they very much put into effect. They attempted to nail specific targets in Germany using the Norden Bombsight. This was more dangerous than what the Brits were doing. I was at a Cold War history seminar at the Wilson Center in DC when the Conservative commentator said we would of used the A-bomb against Germany if it was ready. I argued against the point by pointing out our use of daylight, precision bombing. It was dangerous and risky and we took heavy losses, but kept doing it. They could of just started fire storms like the Brits did at Hamburg with the much safer night missions. We did fire bomb raids on the Japanese, and then nuked them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 19 hours ago, sherpa said: This Ramadan thing is idiotic. The 73 war, Yom Kippur, was launched against Israel on the occasion of the religious holiday Yom Kippur, knowing that the IDF, largely reservists, would be celebrating the religious holiday. Additionally, it was known in the Arab world as the Ramadan War, taking place on the tenth day of the Ramadan month. Total nonsense. Thanks for admitting the IDF are terrorists 17 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said: To Israel I would say this: Do NOT take your foot off Hamas throat under ANY circumstances. Ignore the talk from the west - especially from spineless Hollywood celebrities. Wipe the enemy off the map if necessary. No mercy. Collateral damage? Tough shitsky! They should have thought of that before they tortured and then slaughtered 1400 innocent Israelis. All bets are off! Let the enemy know that they will never threaten your people ever again. FINISH THE JOB!!! It’s back to 1400 again huh? No mention of Israel killing many of the actual number. Ah yes. You’re a good dog. 15 hours ago, Andy1 said: The reporter in the Aljazeera video you posted above acknowledges that a “very significant majority of the casualties” were the result of Hamas actions that day. Are you saying that all the casualties were from Israel firing on or otherwise killing their own people? Did I say that????!???!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 You’re all getting what you deserve. Keep bending the knee, dumb *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 14 minutes ago, Justice said: Thanks for admitting the IDF are terrorists There is no such admission, nor claim, ex you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Biden’s Gaza Floating Port Plan Generating Concern Among Military Professionals “I don’t know a single maritime professional who thinks this is a good idea given the location and conditions ashore, but orders are orders.” During President Biden’s State of the Union address, the President stated that he was directing the military to set up a temporary pier in Gaza that would enable supply of humanitarian aid the the Palestinians. https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/03/bidens-gaza-floating-port-plan-generating-concern-among-military-professionals/ . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 10 minutes ago, sherpa said: There is no such admission, nor claim, ex you. But yes there was. Only terrorists attack people on their holy days, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Reminder: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 36 minutes ago, B-Man said: Reminder: Are you dense? WTF is your problem? You keep sharing this same old BS. A 6 week ceasefire will not cut it. They will not give up any hostages for 6 weeks. Nothing can be more demoralizing for a people than to resume getting bombed in six weeks. It’s like living with a doomsday clock. “In light of all of the fighting”. You mean it’s hard to find roads around all that rubble? “And the fact they will not do so says a lot to me about Hamas’ regard for innocent Palestinian civilians” Yeah well not accepting a permanent ceasefire says a lot to me about Israel’s regard for their innocent hostages. Bombing every place they can possibly be does too. And shooting ppl with their hands up with white flags tells me too. Starving them to death says a lot too because if Palestinians can’t eat neither can the hostages. Edited March 13 by Justice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Justice said: But yes there was. Only terrorists attack people on their holy days, right? Perhaps you have missed the point, and are unfamiliar with the history. But you have managed to condemn the Arab side of this. First, the premise you stated that "only terrorists attack people on their holy days" is a false premise. There is no calendar consideration for terrorist actions. Next, you get the attacker/attackee thing completely wrong. It was a coalition of Arab states that attacked Israel on Yom Kippur, a Jewish holy day. After that you seem to no be aware that the phrase "Ramadan War," is an Arab phrase for the conflict as they launched the attack during Ramadan. How this makes Jews terrorists, as they didn't launch it on their celebration day, and didn't name it after an Arab holy month is an impossible logical conclusion. But....That's what passes here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 14 minutes ago, sherpa said: Perhaps you have missed the point, and are unfamiliar with the history. But you have managed to condemn the Arab side of this. First, the premise you stated that "only terrorists attack people on their holy days" is a false premise. There is no calendar consideration for terrorist actions. Next, you get the attacker/attackee thing completely wrong. It was a coalition of Arab states that attacked Israel on Yom Kippur, a Jewish holy day. After that you seem to no be aware that the phrase "Ramadan War," is an Arab phrase for the conflict as they launched the attack during Ramadan. How this makes Jews terrorists, as they didn't launch it on their celebration day, and didn't name it after an Arab holy month is an impossible logical conclusion. But....That's what passes here. Israel could’ve launched their offensive beforehand in Rafah. They purposely waited for Ramadan. If you think there’s no underlying message being sent you’re a bigger idiot than I already think you are. Add that with the fact Netanyahu called us amalek and it’s quite clear who’s waging a holy war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 13 minutes ago, Justice said: Israel could’ve launched their offensive beforehand in Rafah. They purposely waited for Ramadan. If you think there’s no underlying message being sent you’re a bigger idiot than I already think you are. Add that with the fact Netanyahu called us amalek and it’s quite clear who’s waging a holy war. I'm quite glad you think I'm an idiot. Makes it a lot easier to spend no time here. The point is that the Arab invasion of Israel was done on Yom Kippur. Specifically becasue they knew the reserve dependent IDF would be at the beach. The Arabs called that the Ramadan War., not the Israelis. It was their choice, and they got their asses kicked. During this current skirmish, I hold the Israelis completely blameless regarding whatever day they decide to go after the remaining Hamas murderers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, sherpa said: I'm quite glad you think I'm an idiot. Makes it a lot easier to spend no time here. The point is that the Arab invasion of Israel was done on Yom Kippur. Specifically becasue they knew the reserve dependent IDF would be at the beach. The Arabs called that the Ramadan War., not the Israelis. It was their choice, and they got their asses kicked. During this current skirmish, I hold the Israelis completely blameless regarding whatever day they decide to go after the remaining Hamas murderers. If it was a ***** thing to do then it’s still a ***** thing to do now. Idgaf who’s doing it. I’m not like you. I don’t bend the knee for no nation. You’re too busy on your knees, slobbing on the knob. While you’re getting bukkakied you might want to pay attention to what’s really going on and the damaging long term effects it’s going to have on all of us. Not just the Palestinians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Justice said: Israel could’ve launched their offensive beforehand in Rafah. They purposely waited for Ramadan. If you think there’s no underlying message being sent you’re a bigger idiot than I already think you are. Add that with the fact Netanyahu called us amalek and it’s quite clear who’s waging a holy war. George Patton you aint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 minutes ago, Pokebball said: George Patton you aint Nah. Let’s believe ‘em anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 On 10/7/2023 at 10:08 AM, yall said: I think they're more likely to complain about the money we released to Iran, which likely funded a lot of this operation. I'm inclined to agree with them on that point. I love when the morons get hit over the head with the truth hammer. I think they need a few minutes to get back to candyland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 58 minutes ago, Justice said: If it was a ***** thing to do then it’s still a ***** thing to do now. Idgaf who’s doing it. I’m not like you. I don’t bend the knee for no nation. You’re too busy on your knees, slobbing on the knob. While you’re getting bukkakied you might want to pay attention to what’s really going on and the damaging long term effects it’s going to have on all of us. Not just the Palestinians. Fatal idiocy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, Justice said: Nah. Let’s believe ‘em anyways. Got anyone better than Pramila Patten? She's the biggest social justice warrior at the UN Edited March 13 by Pokebball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Pokebball said: Got anyone better than Pramila Patten Man I can send you God almighty and you won’t listen Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but do lie — behold, I will make them to come and worship at thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Edited March 13 by Justice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 9 minutes ago, Justice said: Man I can send you God almighty and you won’t listen Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but do lie — behold, I will make them to come and worship at thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. I'm totally serious, Patten is a left wing, social justice warrior. Anyone could have predicted to a tee her position on this conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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