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  On 10/5/2023 at 8:22 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

Interesting theyre going 7pm to 12:30am on this flight. Thought they would leave a bit later and land later into the day so they could go right into it.

 

If this is the team plane, I'm not a fan of these times.

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There are reasons for the times.

The charter will be part of the North Atlantic Track System, which has various routes which begin at a few points in the Maritime Provinces in Canada, and arrive at various points in Western Europe.

Every night these points and enroute points, called tracks, vary, based on the winds and weather that evening.

 

If you travel outside the times of the NATS, you have to use really bad altitudes, as NATS goes from 29000-41000', and that is not part of the NFL contract. 

 

The NATS operates in the evening going east from North America to Europe, and from local morning from Europe to North America, thus the times.

 

It allows a far greater density of traffic in airspace that has no radar coverage.

Everyone is assigned a specific track, altitude and mach number.

That is how flights are separated with no radar or radio coverage.

When you get about 120 miles from the UK, they get you on radar, communication is reestablished  and you fly the various normal routes to your destination.

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Posted (edited)
  On 10/5/2023 at 9:49 PM, sherpa said:

 

There are reasons for the times.

The charter will be part of the North Atlantic Track System, which has various routes which begin at a few points in the Maritime Provinces in Canada, and arrive at various points in Western Europe.

Every night these points and enroute points, called tracks, vary, based on the winds and weather that evening.

 

If you travel outside the times of the NATS, you have to use really bad altitudes, as NATS goes from 29000-41000', and that is not part of the NFL contract. 

 

The NATS operates in the evening going east from North America to Europe, and from local morning from Europe to North America, thus the times.

 

It allows a far greater density of traffic in airspace that has no radar coverage.

Everyone is assigned a specific track, altitude and mach number.

That is how flights are separated with no radar or radio coverage.

When you get about 120 miles from the UK, they get you on radar, communication is reestablished  and you fly the various normal routes to your destination.

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Always good having contributors who are 'in the know'.  Thank you.

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Can we put Tognarelli in the baggage hold? 🤔🤨

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Posted
  On 10/5/2023 at 9:58 PM, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Are you superstitious or something? It's not like throwing out a "what if" on a message board makes something more likely to happen in real life

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I don’t like the downward emojis, so I will just go with BOO THIS! 

 

You can’t really believe that. How about if we talk about your family burning up in a house fire? That is just WRONG, and I see no defense for such a comment. 

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Posted
  On 10/5/2023 at 9:58 PM, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Are you superstitious or something? It's not like throwing out a "what if" on a message board makes something more likely to happen in real life

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It's tasteless.

 

And your use of the term "Billsy" isn't accurate. To lose a game in a Billsy fashion means to screw up in an almost comical way. In fact, it would be comical if it wasn't our team. There's nothing comical, from anyone's perspective, about what you described.

 

Seriously, many of us have posted and nobody is defending you on this. This isn't the time to double down.

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  On 10/5/2023 at 10:01 PM, Augie said:

 

I don’t like the downward emojis, so I will just go with BOO THIS! 

 

You can’t really believe that. How about if we talk about your family burning up in a house fire? That is just WRONG, and I see no defense for such a comment. 

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Hmm. Interesting to think about. I'm not offended by the comment. Apparently, I'm a psycho. Maybe I really am.

  On 10/5/2023 at 10:12 PM, WhoTom said:

 

It's tasteless.

 

And your use of the term "Billsy" isn't accurate. To lose a game in a Billsy fashion means to screw up in an almost comical way. In fact, it would be comical if it wasn't our team. There's nothing comical, from anyone's perspective, about what you described.

 

Seriously, many of us have posted and nobody is defending you on this. This isn't the time to double down.

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Yeah, I concede that the overwhelming consensus is what it is. It's interesting to hear the reactions and recognize how unusual I am. I'm curious how the interaction would have gone in real life.

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  On 10/5/2023 at 9:58 PM, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Are you superstitious or something? It's not like throwing out a "what if" on a message board makes something more likely to happen in real life

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What if your balls caught on fire and a naked Roseanne Barr rushed in to save you, then proceeded to fart in your face whilst pouring gasoline on your nuts to put the fire out?

 

 

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Posted
  On 10/5/2023 at 10:22 PM, Gugny said:


What if your balls caught on fire and a naked Roseanne Barr rushed in to save you, then proceeded to fart in your face whilst pouring gasoline on your nuts to put the fire out?

 

 

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This is extraordinarily troubling to me

You have crossed a line

What is wrong with you

 

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  On 10/5/2023 at 10:22 PM, Dr. Who said:

Emotional intelligence and empathy is a genuine concern. I hope you didn't torture small animals as a youth.

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I have at times been both credited and criticized for my ability to remain completely stoic when being yelled at or when someone is having an emotional meltdown in front of me, so objectively, there might be merit to your line of thinking

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  On 10/5/2023 at 10:19 PM, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Yeah, I concede that the overwhelming consensus is what it is. It's interesting to hear the reactions and recognize how unusual I am. I'm curious how the interaction would have gone in real life.

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Probably worse.

 

 

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Posted (edited)
  On 10/5/2023 at 7:54 PM, boyst said:

not a very big plane, either. i am guessing they have sent their equipment ahead of time for staging and prep.

 

i had meant to look and see when they were leaving

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Not sure what you mean by "not very big plane".  Airbus A350-1041 can hold 350-400 passengers and has  ~700,000 lb takeoff weight.

 

But, since the Bills intend to have a practice tomorrow, I would expect that they sent much of their equipment ahead on a cargo flight, so it could get unloaded, clear any customs, get it trucked to the practice facility or field, and get it unpacked and set up.

 

  On 10/5/2023 at 10:28 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

Seat guru says there are only 44 seats in "upper class" on their 350's

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Yeah, but this is likely a charter plane.  They can have it configured as 100% bed chair seating, and extra-long extra large ones at that.  I'm sure the Bills aren't the only sports team or other group flying across the ocean and wanting to arrive there reasonably rested.

 

EDIT: just to be clear, I was suggesting that Virgin Atlantic purchased a plane set up in this configuration or had one retrofitted (an extended process) to book for charters, not that they can take a fleet workhorse and re-fit it on a short turn around.  If it's a normal workhorse flying scheduled routes, it has whatever seats it has.

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