daz28 Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 23 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Based on your inserting Trump into a discussion of democrat entities contradicting each other, I will make the assumption that even though you want to position yourself above the fray, you are not nonpartisan after all. My mistake. Silly me. It was more me inserting the nonsense he says to lead the blind, than an attack on him. In reality the guy probably says at least half the stuff he says just to please them. Partisan-a strong supporter of a party, cause, or person. I'd argue that not being a strong supporter of a person would most certainly make me non-partisan. If I were defending Biden, Democrats or Myorkas, based on blind faith, that would be partisan. I made my personal points very clear.
Buffarukus Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, ChiGoose said: It would smarter to propose actual solutions that would actually improve the situation and when the GOP inevitably rejects them, campaign on that. This is just lazy, dumb, and wasteful. When exactly do dems do that? Dismantle and Defund police instead of sensible reforms we agree on. Nope Shut down the economy. villianize people that are GIVING sensible alternatives to virus response. Claim it was the only way. Open floodgates on immigrants with 5 star hotels instead of offering sensible immigration reform for LEGAL immigration. Its a bit too late for republican or anyone to be on the side we should make it easier when democrars in "sanctuaries" are pleading they can take no more. Start alternative leagues for trans and offer comprehensive education on this mental health issue without cutting parents out. Forcing it down throats and believing everyone who say they suffering INCLUDING small children and criminals. Naaaaa. So basically. Have insane response to issue. Villianize everyone who disagrees as the worst people on earth. Recognize far to late disastrous effects. Backpedal and minimize how insane it was. Inhale copium on how effects were not do to insane response. Repeat. Over and over. How insane would things have gone if NOONE...aka racist MAGA terrorists fought against them. Something to think about. Edited October 6, 2023 by Buffarukus 1 1 1
Coffeesforclosers Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 But what if Biden builds the wall and actually works?
ChiGoose Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 1 hour ago, JDHillFan said: In the last few minutes you have told us the GOP definitely doesn’t want it solved, democrats would vote to solve it, the GOP owns the issue, and that democrats are scared by that. Sounds like Washington. 1. The GOP doesn’t want to solve it. A broken immigration system is an electoral benefit for them 2. The Dems are mixed on the issue. There isn’t enough of a consensus to agree on comprehensive reform that would win support of the entire caucus 3. If a bill was on the floor that would do a ton to rectify the issue, it would be very popular with the Dems (though unlikely to be unanimous) and would receive little to no support from the GOP. 4. GOP lying and scaremongering works. Dems are scared to propose rational solutions because the GOP will effectively hit them for being “soft.” Scaring people about “the other” is GOP 101 and they do it because it works. This is a good example of how things are broken in DC. There is little incentive to even try to fix this issue. 4 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: But what if Biden builds the wall and actually works? About as likely as flipping a coin 100 times and it landing on its edge every time. 1 1 1
Coffeesforclosers Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: About as likely as flipping a coin 100 times and it landing on its edge every time. Oh no doubt...but it seems like this move actually succeeding is the last thing anybody of any political persuasion expects. So it's strange to see agreement on a major political issue, and a little funny.
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 10 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Scaring people about “the other” is GOP 101 Right. They’ve got a monopoly on this one! 🤦♂️🤦♀️🤦
aristocrat Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 Is aoc gonna dress in all white for the photo op again?
T master Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 6 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said: It's so ironic after the msm and left called any talk of the wall, racist for years. Even ran on tearing it down. But then the sanctuary city folks ended up sounding exactly like the voices in the border states. Is Biden now a racist for building a wall? Oh No now he will be lauded as a great president for making this decision even though it's millions of illegal immigrants to late & 3 yrs into his presidency but there are a couple here that will hold him up as a great leader . WHAT EVER !! 1
John from Riverside Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 15 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Is aoc gonna dress in all white for the photo op again? If she did, she look good. Damn good doing it. 7 minutes ago, T master said: Oh No now he will be lauded as a great president for making this decision even though it's millions of illegal immigrants to late & 3 yrs into his presidency but there are a couple here that will hold him up as a great leader . WHAT EVER !! Again, I say Donald Trump is not the first person to put up a wall around the United States. There was wall already there. 1
ChiGoose Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 23 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Right. They’ve got a monopoly on this one! 🤦♂️🤦♀️🤦 They don’t, but they are certainly the best at it by a mile. 1
T master Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: trump had 4 years and an R congress and did nothing except waste money on a wall that mexico was supposed to pay for.🤣. That was politics as well. The fact is that we need low skill, low wage, no questions asked labor. No one will say it out loud. We could definitely provide that in a better way. At least he was building the wall even though it didn't work out the way he wanted it to, to make Mexico pay for it . Then he went to Mexican leaders & told them that it was in part their problem too & let them know if they didn't help in some way that he would be the bad guy (which ya'll love) by cutting the amount of money that goes to them Like a real leader . But this is doing nothing to you . Oh how soon you twist to forget !! Then Along came Joe - Old slow Joe - Slow walking Joe - Slow talking Joe - Along came lying promising Joe & opened up the border , stopped any building of the wall & allow a historical record number of multiple MILLIONS to cross the border until they started sending those folks to all the sanctuary cities that agree'd with Joe . Only then to find out just exactly what a burden it really was then when forced to see illegal immigration for what it really was they are all now speaking out of the other side of their mouth . SURPRISE !! 1 1
T master Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 39 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: 1. The GOP doesn’t want to solve it. A broken immigration system is an electoral benefit for them 2. The Dems are mixed on the issue. There isn’t enough of a consensus to agree on comprehensive reform that would win support of the entire caucus 3. If a bill was on the floor that would do a ton to rectify the issue, it would be very popular with the Dems (though unlikely to be unanimous) and would receive little to no support from the GOP. 4. GOP lying and scaremongering works. Dems are scared to propose rational solutions because the GOP will effectively hit them for being “soft.” Scaring people about “the other” is GOP 101 and they do it because it works. This is a good example of how things are broken in DC. There is little incentive to even try to fix this issue. About as likely as flipping a coin 100 times and it landing on its edge every time. The immigration problem has been historically compounded since good ole Joe changed all the laws that were in place to allow MILLIONS of immigrants to cross the border & ignore it . There were laws that were working better than wha they are now thanks to Joes 100 or so executive orders in his first days in office . Yes maybe the immigration system is broken but it's more broken under this leadership than it was ! The previous POTUS went to the mexican leaders & held their feet to the fire & told them our problem was in part because of their weakness to let the immigrants cross their country to get to ours & they needed to do something about it . So because Trump told them he would take action if they didn't things changed but Joe just from the beginning told them they were all welcome & repealed laws in place to slow down immigration & flat out ignored the problem . So yah DC & it's leader is definitely broken but you still won't see it for what it is !! 14 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: If she did, she look good. Damn good doing it. Again, I say Donald Trump is not the first person to put up a wall around the United States. There was wall already there. But he added to it & had laws implemented that were helping but to this point Joe repealed those laws & just opened it up while ignoring the problem putting his USELESS VP well enough said about that . 1
Doc Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 2 hours ago, daz28 said: As I already said, I agree it's appears to be a mixed message. If you'd like me to say what I would extrapolate from it, then it would be that Biden disagrees with the complete border wall strategy(strategic), and Mayorkas needs a barrier in a certain area(operational). I'll throw my own personal opinion in for the heck of it. Long border walls don't work, because ladders, ropes, saw, and shovels exist. They may however slow the tide if placed and monitored correctly in a limited area. Donald Trump appeals to a lot of people who can't think critically, and has them believing walls have been effective for thousands of years. The walls he speaks of were created to funnel armies into gaps for slaughter, not to stop a thief in the night. It's just campaign BS talk from him to please his base. Silly refers to the political game, and we all do silly things sometimes. We usually are, and should be a bit embarrassed when it's pointing out we're doing something silly. Try not to take it personal. If you think that all Trump did was demand a wall, then not thinking critically isn't just reserved for Trump supporters. 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: trump had 4 years and an R congress and did nothing except waste money on a wall that mexico was supposed to pay for.🤣. That was politics as well. The fact is that we need low skill, low wage, no questions asked labor. No one will say it out loud. We could definitely provide that in a better way. True he had an R Congress. But maybe you didn't know that you need 60 votes in the Senate to pass anything. You think any Dem was going to vote for a border wall? And I didn't care who paid for it. We could have funded it, more border agents and other means of surveillance with all the money we're spending to futilely prevent Russia from invading Ukraine's borders, and not protecting our own. 1
daz28 Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 I got a newsflash for everyone. Presidents don't make or change laws. They also can't spend money. Fox news rots brains. Biden can no more build a wall than Trump can. I'll repeat, the money from this 'wall Bidenz building' is from appropriations(from Congress) from 2019 that HAD to legally be spent. For the most part, the immigration/border issues are issues Congress has to fix(which neither did when they've had the chance). 1 1
John from Riverside Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 42 minutes ago, T master said: The immigration problem has been historically compounded since good ole Joe changed all the laws that were in place to allow MILLIONS of immigrants to cross the border & ignore it . There were laws that were working better than wha they are now thanks to Joes 100 or so executive orders in his first days in office . Yes maybe the immigration system is broken but it's more broken under this leadership than it was ! The previous POTUS went to the mexican leaders & held their feet to the fire & told them our problem was in part because of their weakness to let the immigrants cross their country to get to ours & they needed to do something about it . So because Trump told them he would take action if they didn't things changed but Joe just from the beginning told them they were all welcome & repealed laws in place to slow down immigration & flat out ignored the problem . So yah DC & it's leader is definitely broken but you still won't see it for what it is !! But he added to it & had laws implemented that were helping but to this point Joe repealed those laws & just opened it up while ignoring the problem putting his USELESS VP well enough said about that . Add to it and didn’t finish it And Covid helped as much as anything
Doc Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, daz28 said: I got a newsflash for everyone. Presidents don't make or change laws. They also can't spend money. Fox news rots brains. Biden can no more build a wall than Trump can. I'll repeat, the money from this 'wall Bidenz building' is from appropriations(from Congress) from 2019 that HAD to legally be spent. For the most part, the immigration/border issues are issues Congress has to fix(which neither did when they've had the chance). Yes a President is totally helpless. Turn off CNN. 1 1
daz28 Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, Doc said: If you think that all Trump did was demand a wall, then not thinking critically isn't just reserved for Trump supporters. I was responding to this quote today, which is BS on both ends, because Biden isn't building a wall, and the walls he's referencing were built to stop armies, not border crossings. -“As I have stated often, over thousands of years, there are only two things that have consistently worked, wheels, and walls!" Trump wrote on his social media platform. "Will Joe Biden apologize to me and America for taking so long to get moving ... I will await his apology!” -No, that applies to anyone who believes lies, and follows blindly. He just happens to be very good at targeting those people. 1 minute ago, Doc said: Yes a President is totally helpless. Turn off CNN. For the most part=totally helpless. OK. Getting things done almost always requires funds and laws. The president has neither power. Does that make it a little easier for you to understand? 1 1 1
Doc Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, daz28 said: I was responding to this quote today, which is BS on both ends, because Biden isn't building a wall, and the walls he's referencing were built to stop armies, not border crossings. -“As I have stated often, over thousands of years, there are only two things that have consistently worked, wheels, and walls!" Trump wrote on his social media platform. "Will Joe Biden apologize to me and America for taking so long to get moving ... I will await his apology!” -No, that applies to anyone who believes lies, and follows blindly. He just happens to be very good at targeting those people. Huh? Mayorkas said the wall was needed. Not for armies but for border crossings. So you are blindly following Biden then? 1
daz28 Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 Just now, Doc said: Huh? Mayorkas said the wall was needed. Not for armies but for border crossings. So you are blindly following Biden then? Sometimes Fox leaves thing out, that's why people shouldn't watch them: “I want to address today’s reporting relating to a border wall and be absolutely clear. There is no new administration policy with respect to border walls," Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said in a statement. “From day one, this administration has made clear that a border wall is not the answer. That remains our position and our position has never wavered.” He said a wall was needed in a certain area, not THE wall. I covered this in an earlier post. 1 1 1
Doc Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, daz28 said: Sometimes Fox leaves thing out, that's why people shouldn't watch them: “I want to address today’s reporting relating to a border wall and be absolutely clear. There is no new administration policy with respect to border walls," Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said in a statement. “From day one, this administration has made clear that a border wall is not the answer. That remains our position and our position has never wavered.” He said a wall was needed in a certain area, not THE wall. I covered this in an earlier post. It's needed in many areas. Along with the "remain in Mexico" policy, more and empowered border agents and aerial surveillance. 1
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