Mr. WEO Posted October 5, 2023 Posted October 5, 2023 20 minutes ago, eball said: They were blessed with favorable regular season schedules and a crappy division that made it easy for them to claim the #1 seed and a bye. They also lost two of those AFCCGs at home and were obliterated in one of the Super Bowls. AFCE from 2020-2022 (the time referenced by OP), the AFCE is weak. Miami coming on last year not withstanding. And knocking the Chiefs for not winning all 5 AFCC games as well as 3 of 3 SBs (losing to the GOAT) is probably the worst comeback you could have mustered. Quote
Big Turk Posted October 5, 2023 Author Posted October 5, 2023 26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: AFCE from 2020-2022 (the time referenced by OP), the AFCE is weak. Miami coming on last year not withstanding. And knocking the Chiefs for not winning all 5 AFCC games as well as 3 of 3 SBs (losing to the GOAT) is probably the worst comeback you could have mustered. Compared to which division? The stats don't show this. They weren't the BEST division, but they have a winning record since 2020. Quote
Mr. WEO Posted October 5, 2023 Posted October 5, 2023 11 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Compared to which division? The stats don't show this. They weren't the BEST division, but they have a winning record since 2020. AFCW. That table shows AFCE is worse. NE has 1 winning season. Miami had one double digit win season. Jets have been awful. Quote
Big Turk Posted October 5, 2023 Author Posted October 5, 2023 Just now, Mr. WEO said: AFCW. That table shows AFCE is worse. NE has 1 winning season. Miami had one double digit win season. Jets have been awful. By 2.5 games over 3 years? That is what you are trying to go with? That is statistically meaningless. Quote
eball Posted October 5, 2023 Posted October 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: AFCE from 2020-2022 (the time referenced by OP), the AFCE is weak. Miami coming on last year not withstanding. And knocking the Chiefs for not winning all 5 AFCC games as well as 3 of 3 SBs (losing to the GOAT) is probably the worst comeback you could have mustered. They were favored in that Super Bowl. They have been favored in all five AFCCGs in their stadium. Quote
Mr. WEO Posted October 5, 2023 Posted October 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: By 2.5 games over 3 years? That is what you are trying to go with? That is statistically meaningless. I agree. eball said AFCW has been trash--a benefit to KC. I said so has the AFCE, equally favoring the Bills. Your table confirms this. 49 minutes ago, eball said: They were favored in that Super Bowl. They have been favored in all five AFCCGs in their stadium. lol...Good point. Buncha bums only winning 3 of 5 CC's in a row. keep digging! Quote
May Day 10 Posted October 5, 2023 Posted October 5, 2023 I was thinking last year, they were on their way to become an historically-remembered team along the lines of the 85 Bears, 91 Redskins, 07 Patriots, etc... that got derailed due to injuries and logistical matters. It looks like they have a good crack at it again. With the way everything seems to be coming together at the moment on all facets of this team.... as well as their schedule, this could be the year. I saw the 'bold' predictor guy on ESPN changed his prediction for the Bills from Deonte Harty would be their 2nd most productive receiver to 'They will win 15 games'. If the Bills win 15 games, I would say they would be very difficult to beat out for the Super Bowl. 1 Quote
gonzo1105 Posted October 5, 2023 Posted October 5, 2023 I see a lot about the dynamic things the Bills have done and that’s great no denying it. Until we win a SB, none of this stuff matters to me Quote
The Frankish Reich Posted October 5, 2023 Posted October 5, 2023 4 hours ago, Warcodered said: That seemed more like it only worked while he had the element of surprise he missed his shot and once the league knew what he was doing he once again couldn't afford to keep up. It was really about Billy Beane’s (hmm, Billy Beane, Brandon Beane, coincidence?) understanding that winning a short baseball playoff series rewards different roster construction compared to finishing with the best record in a 162 game season. Specifically, we saw that although the A’s had the deepest and objectively “the best” starting rotation, they didn’t have an absolute shutdown/one game is all the matters dominant ace. They also didn’t have the dominant closet. They did everything right when you are constructing a team with the idea of winning 100 games and winning the division every year. But a 4-7 game series (including off days, requiring less pitching depth) is a different animal. I’m not saying the Bills are in the same situation, but there are commonalities. Quote
Big Turk Posted October 6, 2023 Author Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: It was really about Billy Beane’s (hmm, Billy Beane, Brandon Beane, coincidence?) understanding that winning a short baseball playoff series rewards different roster construction compared to finishing with the best record in a 162 game season. Specifically, we saw that although the A’s had the deepest and objectively “the best” starting rotation, they didn’t have an absolute shutdown/one game is all the matters dominant ace. They also didn’t have the dominant closet. They did everything right when you are constructing a team with the idea of winning 100 games and winning the division every year. But a 4-7 game series (including off days, requiring less pitching depth) is a different animal. I’m not saying the Bills are in the same situation, but there are commonalities. At least Billy Beane won a championship with the A's in 1989 although I don't know if he qualified to get a ring due to only playing 37 games for them that year. Honestly the Bills kind of remind me of the Edmonton Oilers before they won their first Stanley Cup...they kept running roughshod over teams in the regular season and then losing in the playoffs...to the point their GM admitted that if they hadn't ended up winning their first Stanley Cup when they did, the roster would have likely been changed significantly...then they went on to win 5 Stanley Cups in the next 7 years... unlikely the Bills will do that, but the similarities are there between the teams. Edited October 6, 2023 by Big Turk 1 Quote
The Jokeman Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 15 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: It was really about Billy Beane’s (hmm, Billy Beane, Brandon Beane, coincidence?) understanding that winning a short baseball playoff series rewards different roster construction compared to finishing with the best record in a 162 game season. Specifically, we saw that although the A’s had the deepest and objectively “the best” starting rotation, they didn’t have an absolute shutdown/one game is all the matters dominant ace. They also didn’t have the dominant closet. They did everything right when you are constructing a team with the idea of winning 100 games and winning the division every year. But a 4-7 game series (including off days, requiring less pitching depth) is a different animal. I’m not saying the Bills are in the same situation, but there are commonalities. As an A's fan why did you bring up 1990? It was a bad year between the A's and Bills it was a painful year for me to say the least. Quote
Big Turk Posted October 6, 2023 Author Posted October 6, 2023 Just now, The Jokeman said: As an A's fan why did you bring up 1990? It was a bad year between the A's and Bills it was a painful year for me to say the least. I mean they had just won the World Series the year before in 1989 when Bills fans had to sit through watching Ronnie Harmon drop a TD to win the game in the endzone against Cleveland...not the same pain. Quote
The Jokeman Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: I mean they had just won the World Series the year before in 1989 when Bills fans had to sit through watching Ronnie Harmon drop a TD to win the game in the endzone against Cleveland...not the same pain. Fair enough. Quote
The Frankish Reich Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: At least Billy Beane won a championship with the A's in 1989 although I don't know if he qualified to get a ring due to only playing 37 games for them that year. Honestly the Bills kind of remind me of the Edmonton Oilers before they won their first Stanley Cup...they kept running roughshod over teams in the regular season and then losing in the playoffs...to the point their GM admitted that if they hadn't ended up winning their first Stanley Cup when they did, the roster would have likely been changed significantly...then they went on to win 5 Stanley Cups in the next 7 years... unlikely the Bills will do that, but the similarities are there between the teams. Interesting comparison. I saw something similar too with the Denver Nuggets last year. We had just hit the point after 2021-22 where there was a lot of talk about the current roster not being good enough to get over the hump. A couple roster tweaks, a run of good health, and they're NBA champions. So yeah, when you've got a proven regular season winner sometimes it may be best to stay the course and your playoff luck will start to change. Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 Since 2020 we have not played in the SuperBowl. Nothing else matters Quote
May Day 10 Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 I think it matters. We all love to soak up nostalgia about the 90s teams. That was fun. The drought years? While they had there moments and the thrill of the chase can be fun... and to their credit, they never really hit rock bottom too much... it was filled with lousy football. This has been a fantastic run. It has been fun, the stadium has been rocking, the Bills have been among the cornerstone teams in the league for awhile. Great plays and memories. If this is it, in 25 years (if I am still alive), I will be looking back and remembering a lot of good stuff, even without a superbowl victory Big picture though, they really do need to win a superbowl. It is a giant elephant in the room while reminiscing about those 90s teams and a real tragedy that team never won. It would be a shame (and a hit to everyone's pride), if they fail to do this. Quote
TableDestoyer69 Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 On 10/4/2023 at 11:06 AM, LabattBlue said: …and yet not even a trip to the AFC Conference Championship game. 😈😈😈 Imagine having 12,000 posts on this forum and not remember the 2020 afc championship game. Slightly too much Labatt blue maybe 😂 Quote
LabattBlue Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 1 hour ago, TableDestoyer69 said: Imagine having 12,000 posts on this forum and not remember the 2020 afc championship game. Slightly too much Labatt blue maybe 😂 Boy I haven’t heard that before. Got me good there. Quote
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