Dorsey & game management

[GustheDog33]

I used to OC for a High School team, which is not the same, but it's not nothing.  You win games by scoring more points than the other team and when the game feels like it is probably out of reach it is usually best to make damn sure it is out of reach.  Might as well score again and make sure. Every. Single. Time.

[Don Otreply]

4 hours ago, WIDE LEFT said:

You have to wonder if Dorsey is auditioning for a HC job, or is he completely clueless about game/clock management. Raiders game - less than 9 minutes remaining in 4th quarter and Bills with a 21 point lead. The math is clear - it’s virtually impossible for Vegas to score 3 tds in the time left. Bills could run 3 times every possession, go 3 & out each time and their simply would not be enough time left for Vegas to tie this game. The ONLY way to lose is to throw a pic or QB sack fumble. What does Dorsey do? First down Allen passes and is INTERCEPTED. But a lucky penalty negates the turnover. He then continues to throw the ball all over the field. 
 

With an even bigger lead in the 4th quarter against Washington he does the same thing - multiple passes - completely unnecessary and reckless.

 

On to the Dolphins game . Huge lead again in 4th quarter. First and goal at the 9. Dorsey, (auditioning?) calls for a designated QB run. Why? Yes I know he scored. But what about the entire concept of Allen not taking unnecessary hits?  A QB draw from the 9 in the crowded red zone almost always results in a significant hit. Why put Allen at risk when u have a huge lead late in 4th quarter? Why show that play to future opponents? Just as mindlessly reckless as throwing the ball all over the field late in the 4th quarter with big leads. Unless you have a HC agenda.

So its true some fans will complain about a blow out victory, bet you will do the same about a super bowl win…, 

[PromoTheRobot]

4 hours ago, WIDE LEFT said:

You have to wonder if Dorsey is auditioning for a HC job, or is he completely clueless about game/clock management. Raiders game - less than 9 minutes remaining in 4th quarter and Bills with a 21 point lead. The math is clear - it’s virtually impossible for Vegas to score 3 tds in the time left. Bills could run 3 times every possession, go 3 & out each time and their simply would not be enough time left for Vegas to tie this game. The ONLY way to lose is to throw a pic or QB sack fumble. What does Dorsey do? First down Allen passes and is INTERCEPTED. But a lucky penalty negates the turnover. He then continues to throw the ball all over the field. 
 

With an even bigger lead in the 4th quarter against Washington he does the same thing - multiple passes - completely unnecessary and reckless.

 

On to the Dolphins game . Huge lead again in 4th quarter. First and goal at the 9. Dorsey, (auditioning?) calls for a designated QB run. Why? Yes I know he scored. But what about the entire concept of Allen not taking unnecessary hits?  A QB draw from the 9 in the crowded red zone almost always results in a significant hit. Why put Allen at risk when u have a huge lead late in 4th quarter? Why show that play to future opponents? Just as mindlessly reckless as throwing the ball all over the field late in the 4th quarter with big leads. Unless you have a HC agenda.

 

And here I was thinking winning by 28+ points was a good thing. Thanks for opening my eyes to the truth.

[Warcodered]

4 hours ago, WIDE LEFT said:

No I didn’t know it was an audible and I don’t believe you have that inside knowledge either. But let’s concede that it was an audible. Your QB should not be allowed to audible in that situation. Sometimes you have to protect Allen from himself. He opened himself up to a huge and completely unnecessary hit. And showed off to future opponents a great play design.

 

I am not at all surprised by the responses here. Basically “ everything worked out so what’s your problem”. That’s fine UNTIL everything doesn’t work out. The Allen 4th quarter interception with a big lead isn’t always going to get wiped out by a penalty. Reckless clock & game management will come back to bite you in the playoffs. You haven’t seen the Bills in the past fail to drill down on these type of issues in the past. Like 13 seconds? Yes everything fine, until it isn’t. 

I can't remember for sure who it was who broke it down, I think it was Baldy, but Josh basically looked up saw he had a hat on a hat on the right side (1 blocker for every defender) and he's Josh ***** Allen so he called his number and waltzed in. And no, nobody would ever question Josh making that decision because even if he somehow ended up getting that wrong he could just eat it burn more clock and have two more downs to get it in. Worst case we don't punch it in down there and settle for a FG, which we already had a big lead so who cares.

Edited October 4, 2023 by Warcodered
Nope guess it was broken down by Acho

[extrahammer]

I think a key factor in all of this is the week before the game the Dolphins put up 70 and were talking out of their *** on their travels to Buffalo, saying the fanbase ain't **** and it's just another game. 

 

 

[WIDE LEFT]

20 hours ago, GustheDog33 said:

I used to OC for a High School team, which is not the same, but it's not nothing.  You win games by scoring more points than the other team and when the game feels like it is probably out of reach it is usually best to make damn sure it is out of reach.  Might as well score again and make sure. Every. Single. Time.

So as the high school OC, you never had your team run clock, never had your QB take a knee because after all you wanted to score every, single, time.  No wonder high school wax as far as you got

[MJS]

A moronic take in the highest degree. Well done.

[GustheDog33]

17 minutes ago, WIDE LEFT said:

So as the high school OC, you never had your team run clock, never had your QB take a knee because after all you wanted to score every, single, time.  No wonder high school wax as far as you got

Seriously no reason to attack me or my time coaching ball.  You have no idea how my teams did. Maybe we won a ton of games and scored a ton of points?  I didn't get to be in that position because I wasn't able and I didn't leave that position because I "fired." Sorry people disagree with you and your take.  But, when you put your opinions out there, you might get people responding who disagree.  Its the way it goes.  I didn't come after you or your character, but it seems you must be a joy to be around.

 

We did run out the clock when the game was out of reach, as I mentioned, but if we weren’t sure it was out of reach for the opponent we kept the pedal down.  Why wouldn't you?  

 

Have a great day.

Edited October 5, 2023 by GustheDog33
Clarification

[CoudyBills]

On 10/4/2023 at 7:57 AM, WIDE LEFT said:

You have to wonder if Dorsey is auditioning for a HC job, or is he completely clueless about game/clock management. Raiders game - less than 9 minutes remaining in 4th quarter and Bills with a 21 point lead. The math is clear - it’s virtually impossible for Vegas to score 3 tds in the time left. Bills could run 3 times every possession, go 3 & out each time and their simply would not be enough time left for Vegas to tie this game. The ONLY way to lose is to throw a pic or QB sack fumble. What does Dorsey do? First down Allen passes and is INTERCEPTED. But a lucky penalty negates the turnover. He then continues to throw the ball all over the field. 
 

With an even bigger lead in the 4th quarter against Washington he does the same thing - multiple passes - completely unnecessary and reckless.

 

On to the Dolphins game . Huge lead again in 4th quarter. First and goal at the 9. Dorsey, (auditioning?) calls for a designated QB run. Why? Yes I know he scored. But what about the entire concept of Allen not taking unnecessary hits?  A QB draw from the 9 in the crowded red zone almost always results in a significant hit. Why put Allen at risk when u have a huge lead late in 4th quarter? Why show that play to future opponents? Just as mindlessly reckless as throwing the ball all over the field late in the 4th quarter with big leads. Unless you have a HC agenda.

You have passed your audition.

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 10/4/2023 at 7:57 AM, WIDE LEFT said:

You have to wonder if Dorsey is auditioning for a HC job, or is he completely clueless about game/clock management. Raiders game - less than 9 minutes remaining in 4th quarter and Bills with a 21 point lead. The math is clear - it’s virtually impossible for Vegas to score 3 tds in the time left. Bills could run 3 times every possession, go 3 & out each time and their simply would not be enough time left for Vegas to tie this game. The ONLY way to lose is to throw a pic or QB sack fumble. What does Dorsey do? First down Allen passes and is INTERCEPTED. But a lucky penalty negates the turnover. He then continues to throw the ball all over the field. 
 

With an even bigger lead in the 4th quarter against Washington he does the same thing - multiple passes - completely unnecessary and reckless.

 

On to the Dolphins game . Huge lead again in 4th quarter. First and goal at the 9. Dorsey, (auditioning?) calls for a designated QB run. Why? Yes I know he scored. But what about the entire concept of Allen not taking unnecessary hits?  A QB draw from the 9 in the crowded red zone almost always results in a significant hit. Why put Allen at risk when u have a huge lead late in 4th quarter? Why show that play to future opponents? Just as mindlessly reckless as throwing the ball all over the field late in the 4th quarter with big leads. Unless you have a HC agenda.

 

Virtually impossible isn't impossible.  In a 3 score game with that much time left I'd probably just try and move the ball a little and let the clock trickle down.  Inside 4-5 minutes?  Sure, run it every play.  But I'm not 

 

We were up 16-0 in the 4th quarter with 12 minutes remaining the last time we ran a pass play against Washington.  That is a two score game with 12 minutes left, you aren't really running clock there.  

 

We were up 28 in the 4th quarter against miami and ran 2 passing plays.  The run play in the red zone (to go up 28) is not a draw, its a read-option.  He has 3 blockers and the back (plus allen). Miami had 4 players on that side of the offensive line.  You watch the one linebacker to see if he follows the back (he did), and you pull the ball and its 3x3 plus allen... hence walk in score.  

39 minutes ago, WIDE LEFT said:

So as the high school OC, you never had your team run clock, never had your QB take a knee because after all you wanted to score every, single, time.  No wonder high school wax as far as you got

 

So you insult the guy who has significantly more football knowledge than you, to prove your point? 

[Captain Hindsight]

41 minutes ago, WIDE LEFT said:

So as the high school OC, you never had your team run clock, never had your QB take a knee because after all you wanted to score every, single, time.  No wonder high school wax as far as you got

And when you advance past "bad take on a message board", we will be sure to send over that cookie 

[The Jokeman]

On 10/4/2023 at 7:57 AM, WIDE LEFT said:

You have to wonder if Dorsey is auditioning for a HC job, or is he completely clueless about game/clock management. Raiders game - less than 9 minutes remaining in 4th quarter and Bills with a 21 point lead. The math is clear - it’s virtually impossible for Vegas to score 3 tds in the time left. Bills could run 3 times every possession, go 3 & out each time and their simply would not be enough time left for Vegas to tie this game. The ONLY way to lose is to throw a pic or QB sack fumble. What does Dorsey do? First down Allen passes and is INTERCEPTED. But a lucky penalty negates the turnover. He then continues to throw the ball all over the field. 
 

With an even bigger lead in the 4th quarter against Washington he does the same thing - multiple passes - completely unnecessary and reckless.

 

On to the Dolphins game . Huge lead again in 4th quarter. First and goal at the 9. Dorsey, (auditioning?) calls for a designated QB run. Why? Yes I know he scored. But what about the entire concept of Allen not taking unnecessary hits?  A QB draw from the 9 in the crowded red zone almost always results in a significant hit. Why put Allen at risk when u have a huge lead late in 4th quarter? Why show that play to future opponents? Just as mindlessly reckless as throwing the ball all over the field late in the 4th quarter with big leads. Unless you have a HC agenda.

and yet we have the 2nd best offense in the league and arguably our QB is playing at his absolute best. Seriously the people that criticize Dorsey sound like they'll never be happy despite him being arguably one of the best OC's in the NFL. 

[Saxum]

On 10/4/2023 at 8:38 AM, BuffaloBillyG said:

 

There are 2 plays broken down here. The second play is the QB draw. 

 

It's hardly "inside info" that the play was an audible.

 

Emmanuel Acho is developing into a Baldy level play analyzer.

[BuffaloBillyG]

7 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Emmanuel Acho is developing into a Baldy level play analyzer.

He really is. The best part about the way Acho breaks down film is the way he takes the time to explain things. He did a breakdown on the punt return that ended the Jets game that was phenomenal. You don't see a lot of special teams play breakdowns. 

[Draconator]

On 10/4/2023 at 8:20 AM, WIDE LEFT said:

No I didn’t know it was an audible and I don’t believe you have that inside knowledge either. But let’s concede that it was an audible. Your QB should not be allowed to audible in that situation. Sometimes you have to protect Allen from himself. He opened himself up to a huge and completely unnecessary hit. And showed off to future opponents a great play design.

 

I am not at all surprised by the responses here. Basically “ everything worked out so what’s your problem”. That’s fine UNTIL everything doesn’t work out. The Allen 4th quarter interception with a big lead isn’t always going to get wiped out by a penalty. Reckless clock & game management will come back to bite you in the playoffs. You haven’t seen the Bills in the past fail to drill down on these type of issues in the past. Like 13 seconds? Yes everything fine, until it isn’t. 

Were you dropped repeatedly on your head as a child?

[machine gun kelly]

On 10/4/2023 at 7:57 AM, WIDE LEFT said:

You have to wonder if Dorsey is auditioning for a HC job, or is he completely clueless about game/clock management. Raiders game - less than 9 minutes remaining in 4th quarter and Bills with a 21 point lead. The math is clear - it’s virtually impossible for Vegas to score 3 tds in the time left. Bills could run 3 times every possession, go 3 & out each time and their simply would not be enough time left for Vegas to tie this game. The ONLY way to lose is to throw a pic or QB sack fumble. What does Dorsey do? First down Allen passes and is INTERCEPTED. But a lucky penalty negates the turnover. He then continues to throw the ball all over the field. 
 

With an even bigger lead in the 4th quarter against Washington he does the same thing - multiple passes - completely unnecessary and reckless.

 

On to the Dolphins game . Huge lead again in 4th quarter. First and goal at the 9. Dorsey, (auditioning?) calls for a designated QB run. Why? Yes I know he scored. But what about the entire concept of Allen not taking unnecessary hits?  A QB draw from the 9 in the crowded red zone almost always results in a significant hit. Why put Allen at risk when u have a huge lead late in 4th quarter? Why show that play to future opponents? Just as mindlessly reckless as throwing the ball all over the field late in the 4th quarter with big leads. Unless you have a HC agenda.

We just destroyed the previous #1 offense 48-20, and you bring this up?

 

please go back to youre own fan site as you’re not a Bills fan.

 

We are #2 in pts scored, and #2 in pts against.  Yeah we suck.

[Matt_In_NH]

OP longs for Jauron and Marrone!

[BADOLBILZ]

On 10/4/2023 at 7:57 AM, WIDE LEFT said:

You have to wonder if Dorsey is auditioning for a HC job, or is he completely clueless about game/clock management. Raiders game - less than 9 minutes remaining in 4th quarter and Bills with a 21 point lead. The math is clear - it’s virtually impossible for Vegas to score 3 tds in the time left. Bills could run 3 times every possession, go 3 & out each time and their simply would not be enough time left for Vegas to tie this game. The ONLY way to lose is to throw a pic or QB sack fumble. What does Dorsey do? First down Allen passes and is INTERCEPTED. But a lucky penalty negates the turnover. He then continues to throw the ball all over the field. 
 

With an even bigger lead in the 4th quarter against Washington he does the same thing - multiple passes - completely unnecessary and reckless.

 

On to the Dolphins game . Huge lead again in 4th quarter. First and goal at the 9. Dorsey, (auditioning?) calls for a designated QB run. Why? Yes I know he scored. But what about the entire concept of Allen not taking unnecessary hits?  A QB draw from the 9 in the crowded red zone almost always results in a significant hit. Why put Allen at risk when u have a huge lead late in 4th quarter? Why show that play to future opponents? Just as mindlessly reckless as throwing the ball all over the field late in the 4th quarter with big leads. Unless you have a HC agenda.

 

 

I felt like Dorsey used the Raiders game to sharpen the execution of the offense.    I do believe that part of the issue in the Jets game was the fact that the offense hadn't played much live football together yet.    So I had no problem with them throwing the ball around in a blowout against a team that had little or no chance of coming back.

 

And yeah I don't believe that QB run was the initial call.   The sea just parted so he ran in.

[Matt_In_NH]

You should always "take the points" too right?

[Cheektowaga Chad]

The bills should trade Josh Allen, and go with Matt Barkley or even Kyle Allen

 

With what they could get from trading Allen they could really build up the offensive line and get another wr to upgrade from Davis and even a actual rb. The offense would be impeccable