Dorsey & game management

[WIDE LEFT]

You have to wonder if Dorsey is auditioning for a HC job, or is he completely clueless about game/clock management. Raiders game - less than 9 minutes remaining in 4th quarter and Bills with a 21 point lead. The math is clear - it’s virtually impossible for Vegas to score 3 tds in the time left. Bills could run 3 times every possession, go 3 & out each time and their simply would not be enough time left for Vegas to tie this game. The ONLY way to lose is to throw a pic or QB sack fumble. What does Dorsey do? First down Allen passes and is INTERCEPTED. But a lucky penalty negates the turnover. He then continues to throw the ball all over the field. 
 

With an even bigger lead in the 4th quarter against Washington he does the same thing - multiple passes - completely unnecessary and reckless.

 

On to the Dolphins game . Huge lead again in 4th quarter. First and goal at the 9. Dorsey, (auditioning?) calls for a designated QB run. Why? Yes I know he scored. But what about the entire concept of Allen not taking unnecessary hits?  A QB draw from the 9 in the crowded red zone almost always results in a significant hit. Why put Allen at risk when u have a huge lead late in 4th quarter? Why show that play to future opponents? Just as mindlessly reckless as throwing the ball all over the field late in the 4th quarter with big leads. Unless you have a HC agenda.

[dorquemada]

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, forums poster WIDE LEFT

[BuffaloBillyG]

First off, you do realize the Allen QB run last week was an audible made by Josh at the line, right? Maybe Josh is auditioning for a HC job?

 

Second...maybe when your QB leads the NFL in completion percentage it's not the risk you make it out to be to throw the ball. 

 

You're actually complaining that Dorsey kept the offense humming with a lead rather than pack it in and roll conservative. Literally everything you point out is basically "Hey, look, I know these decisions worked out well....but...."

 

There is definitely an agenda in play here. But it's not by Dorsey. 

 

[Casey D]

9 minutes ago, WIDE LEFT said:

You have to wonder if Dorsey is auditioning for a HC job, or is he completely clueless about game/clock management. Raiders game - less than 9 minutes remaining in 4th quarter and Bills with a 21 point lead. The math is clear - it’s virtually impossible for Vegas to score 3 tds in the time left. Bills could run 3 times every possession, go 3 & out each time and their simply would not be enough time left for Vegas to tie this game. The ONLY way to lose is to throw a pic or QB sack fumble. What does Dorsey do? First down Allen passes and is INTERCEPTED. But a lucky penalty negates the turnover. He then continues to throw the ball all over the field. 
 

With an even bigger lead in the 4th quarter against Washington he does the same thing - multiple passes - completely unnecessary and reckless.

 

On to the Dolphins game . Huge lead again in 4th quarter. First and goal at the 9. Dorsey, (auditioning?) calls for a designated QB run. Why? Yes I know he scored. But what about the entire concept of Allen not taking unnecessary hits?  A QB draw from the 9 in the crowded red zone almost always results in a significant hit. Why put Allen at risk when u have a huge lead late in 4th quarter? Why show that play to future opponents? Just as mindlessly reckless as throwing the ball all over the field late in the 4th quarter with big leads. Unless you have a HC agenda.

Really?  You don't seem to know what you are watching.  On the Allen TD, it was not a designed run, Allen had an option to run if the defense looked a certain way.  It did, and Allen walked in untouched because he knows what he is doing.  But we need to complain I suppose.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Wide Left indeed. 

[BillsFan130]

Josh Allen called an audible for that TD run.

It wasn’t the initial designed play

[Rockinon]

I thought that TD run was an RPO and Josh just selected to keep it. Great play because he practically walked into the endzone. 

 

 

I do think the play against the Raiders was pretty boneheaded, though. All that was needed to win, was eat clock.  The interception gave them an opportunity to get right back in the game. Unfortunately for them, the Bills defense forced another turnover just a couple of plays later.

Edited October 4, 2023 by Rockinon

[WIDE LEFT]

No I didn’t know it was an audible and I don’t believe you have that inside knowledge either. But let’s concede that it was an audible. Your QB should not be allowed to audible in that situation. Sometimes you have to protect Allen from himself. He opened himself up to a huge and completely unnecessary hit. And showed off to future opponents a great play design.

 

I am not at all surprised by the responses here. Basically “ everything worked out so what’s your problem”. That’s fine UNTIL everything doesn’t work out. The Allen 4th quarter interception with a big lead isn’t always going to get wiped out by a penalty. Reckless clock & game management will come back to bite you in the playoffs. You haven’t seen the Bills in the past fail to drill down on these type of issues in the past. Like 13 seconds? Yes everything fine, until it isn’t. 

[Eastport bills]

12 minutes ago, WIDE LEFT said:

You have to wonder if Dorsey is auditioning for a HC job, or is he completely clueless about game/clock management. Raiders game - less than 9 minutes remaining in 4th quarter and Bills with a 21 point lead. The math is clear - it’s virtually impossible for Vegas to score 3 tds in the time left. Bills could run 3 times every possession, go 3 & out each time and their simply would not be enough time left for Vegas to tie this game. The ONLY way to lose is to throw a pic or QB sack fumble. What does Dorsey do? First down Allen passes and is INTERCEPTED. But a lucky penalty negates the turnover. He then continues to throw the ball all over the field. 
 

With an even bigger lead in the 4th quarter against Washington he does the same thing - multiple passes - completely unnecessary and reckless.

 

On to the Dolphins game . Huge lead again in 4th quarter. First and goal at the 9. Dorsey, (auditioning?) calls for a designated QB run. Why? Yes I know he scored. But what about the entire concept of Allen not taking unnecessary hits?  A QB draw from the 9 in the crowded red zone almost always results in a significant hit. Why put Allen at risk when u have a huge lead late in 4th quarter? Why show that play to future opponents? Just as mindlessly reckless as throwing the ball all over the field late in the 4th quarter with big leads. Unless you have a HC agenda.

I guess you can’t deal with prosperity without criticism. When we dominated the NFL with the K-Gun offense from 88 to 94 we went no huddle and kept trying to score until the final gun. The play calling is predicated on what Dorsey sees  the defense is giving us, including the river parting for a Josh draw. I thought Dorsey was learning on the job last year and opening night was reminiscent of that. His performance since has been better every week and finally we have a run option and Kincaid is being brought into the mix. Josh has far less designed runs and we’re scoring over 30 every game. Diggs is getting targeted on single coverage and the new guys(Sherfield, Harty) are contributing. What are you complaining about?

[BillsFan130]

11 minutes ago, WIDE LEFT said:

No I didn’t know it was an audible and I don’t believe you have that inside knowledge either. But let’s concede that it was an audible. Your QB should not be allowed to audible in that situation. Sometimes you have to protect Allen from himself. He opened himself up to a huge and completely unnecessary hit. And showed off to future opponents a great play design.

 

I am not at all surprised by the responses here. Basically “ everything worked out so what’s your problem”. That’s fine UNTIL everything doesn’t work out. The Allen 4th quarter interception with a big lead isn’t always going to get wiped out by a penalty. Reckless clock & game management will come back to bite you in the playoffs. You haven’t seen the Bills in the past fail to drill down on these type of issues in the past. Like 13 seconds? Yes everything fine, until it isn’t. 

Your post is about offensive game management.

 

So In the 13 seconds game…. you are saying the offence left too much time on the clock when they scored?..

Edited October 4, 2023 by BillsFan130

[SoonerBillsFan]

Seriously?  This board sometimes.  WE WON!!! We beat the crap out of the #1 team.  Josh Allen is tied for most passing TD's and #1 in completion %.   Right now the kid is Steave freaking Young in his prime!

 

My Grandpa had sayings for this,and only 1 can be posted here...trust me..

"Some people would b$#@! If hung with a new rope".

 

 

Edited October 4, 2023 by SoonerBillsFan

[Dan Darragh]

40 minutes ago, WIDE LEFT said:

or is he completely clueless about game/clock management

Compared to you, Dorsey is at a disadvantage. He doesn't even have an XBox.

Edited October 4, 2023 by Dan Darragh

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

[BuffaloBillyG]

15 minutes ago, WIDE LEFT said:

No I didn’t know it was an audible and I don’t believe you have that inside knowledge either. But let’s concede that it was an audible. Your QB should not be allowed to audible in that situation. Sometimes you have to protect Allen from himself. He opened himself up to a huge and completely unnecessary hit. And showed off to future opponents a great play design.

 

I am not at all surprised by the responses here. Basically “ everything worked out so what’s your problem”. That’s fine UNTIL everything doesn’t work out. The Allen 4th quarter interception with a big lead isn’t always going to get wiped out by a penalty. Reckless clock & game management will come back to bite you in the playoffs. You haven’t seen the Bills in the past fail to drill down on these type of issues in the past. Like 13 seconds? Yes everything fine, until it isn’t. 

 

There are 2 plays broken down here. The second play is the QB draw. 

 

It's hardly "inside info" that the play was an audible.

[Behindenemylines]

44 minutes ago, WIDE LEFT said:

You have to wonder if Dorsey is auditioning for a HC job, or is he completely clueless about game/clock management. Raiders game - less than 9 minutes remaining in 4th quarter and Bills with a 21 point lead. The math is clear - it’s virtually impossible for Vegas to score 3 tds in the time left. Bills could run 3 times every possession, go 3 & out each time and their simply would not be enough time left for Vegas to tie this game. The ONLY way to lose is to throw a pic or QB sack fumble. What does Dorsey do? First down Allen passes and is INTERCEPTED. But a lucky penalty negates the turnover. He then continues to throw the ball all over the field. 
 

With an even bigger lead in the 4th quarter against Washington he does the same thing - multiple passes - completely unnecessary and reckless.

 

On to the Dolphins game . Huge lead again in 4th quarter. First and goal at the 9. Dorsey, (auditioning?) calls for a designated QB run. Why? Yes I know he scored. But what about the entire concept of Allen not taking unnecessary hits?  A QB draw from the 9 in the crowded red zone almost always results in a significant hit. Why put Allen at risk when u have a huge lead late in 4th quarter? Why show that play to future opponents? Just as mindlessly reckless as throwing the ball all over the field late in the 4th quarter with big leads. Unless you have a HC agenda.

I think it’s much simpler than this idea. We are making a statement and culture change. We go 100% the whole game and once our foot is on your throat it never leaves.   
 

Bills are here to win the whole damn thing and not just the off-season and regular season. 
 

we have the same attitude on defense also. Which I love to see 

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, WIDE LEFT said:

You have to wonder if Dorsey is auditioning for a HC job, or is he completely clueless about game/clock management. Raiders game - less than 9 minutes remaining in 4th quarter and Bills with a 21 point lead. The math is clear - it’s virtually impossible for Vegas to score 3 tds in the time left. Bills could run 3 times every possession, go 3 & out each time and their simply would not be enough time left for Vegas to tie this game. The ONLY way to lose is to throw a pic or QB sack fumble. What does Dorsey do? First down Allen passes and is INTERCEPTED. But a lucky penalty negates the turnover. He then continues to throw the ball all over the field. 
 

With an even bigger lead in the 4th quarter against Washington he does the same thing - multiple passes - completely unnecessary and reckless.

 

On to the Dolphins game . Huge lead again in 4th quarter. First and goal at the 9. Dorsey, (auditioning?) calls for a designated QB run. Why? Yes I know he scored. But what about the entire concept of Allen not taking unnecessary hits?  A QB draw from the 9 in the crowded red zone almost always results in a significant hit. Why put Allen at risk when u have a huge lead late in 4th quarter? Why show that play to future opponents? Just as mindlessly reckless as throwing the ball all over the field late in the 4th quarter with big leads. Unless you have a HC agenda.

 

Perhaps it is because on balance Allen will win those matchups far more often than not?

[WhoTom]

Remember when McDermott and his staff were criticized for being too conservative?

Now they're too reckless.

 

You just can't please some people.

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

9 minutes a few timeouts and the 2 minute warning is plenty of time to score multiple tds if the team with the lead goes three and out a few times 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, WIDE LEFT said:

No I didn’t know it was an audible and I don’t believe you have that inside knowledge either. But let’s concede that it was an audible. Your QB should not be allowed to audible in that situation. Sometimes you have to protect Allen from himself. He opened himself up to a huge and completely unnecessary hit. And showed off to future opponents a great play design.

 

I am not at all surprised by the responses here. Basically “ everything worked out so what’s your problem”. That’s fine UNTIL everything doesn’t work out. The Allen 4th quarter interception with a big lead isn’t always going to get wiped out by a penalty. Reckless clock & game management will come back to bite you in the playoffs. You haven’t seen the Bills in the past fail to drill down on these type of issues in the past. Like 13 seconds? Yes everything fine, until it isn’t. 

I wasn't scared when I woke up this morning.  Now I am.  Real nice. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 hours ago, WIDE LEFT said:

You have to wonder if Dorsey is auditioning for a HC job, or is he completely clueless about game/clock management. Raiders game - less than 9 minutes remaining in 4th quarter and Bills with a 21 point lead. The math is clear - it’s virtually impossible for Vegas to score 3 tds in the time left. Bills could run 3 times every possession, go 3 & out each time and their simply would not be enough time left for Vegas to tie this game. The ONLY way to lose is to throw a pic or QB sack fumble. What does Dorsey do? First down Allen passes and is INTERCEPTED. But a lucky penalty negates the turnover. He then continues to throw the ball all over the field. 
 

With an even bigger lead in the 4th quarter against Washington he does the same thing - multiple passes - completely unnecessary and reckless.

 

On to the Dolphins game . Huge lead again in 4th quarter. First and goal at the 9. Dorsey, (auditioning?) calls for a designated QB run. Why? Yes I know he scored. But what about the entire concept of Allen not taking unnecessary hits?  A QB draw from the 9 in the crowded red zone almost always results in a significant hit. Why put Allen at risk when u have a huge lead late in 4th quarter? Why show that play to future opponents? Just as mindlessly reckless as throwing the ball all over the field late in the 4th quarter with big leads. Unless you have a HC agenda.

 

I think Allen checked into this based on the hat count on that side of the field.  

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

9 minutes a few timeouts and the 2 minute warning is plenty of time to score multiple tds if the team with the lead goes three and out a few times 

 

 

I feel like the "4 minute offense" has to have passes in it.  They're going to be attacking the run game and trying to punch the ball out.  Behind that there's opportunity for yards and more plays if you pass.