On to the JAGS

[Gregg]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

The Bills are going to smash the Chiefs when they play them.  The Bills have eclipsed the Chiefs in talent by a long shot, and Josh has surpassed Mahomes.

 

Not yet. Have to win the Super Bowl first. As of now Mahomes is the top QB in the NFL.

[finn]

4 hours ago, chongli said:

 

I don't understand why opposing teams haven't figured out that you have to take Diggs out of the game, even if it means single coverage on all the other receivers or rushing just four players. Same with KC and Kelce. By doing so, you're trading a sure way to lose for a probable way to lose. The talent level between Diggs and the JAGs, including the TEs, is, well, very different. If he's not checking down, Allen has to work a lot harder to get the ball to the non-Diggs receivers. 

[eball]

1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

eball, with all due respect, we've all seen plenty of NFL games where a favored team underestimated and lost to an inferior team. These games are often accompanied by postgame interviews by the losing team admitting as much.

 

In sports it does occasionally happen that the better team loses because they didn't take their opponent seriously enough.

 

Anyone who has followed sports has seen this.

 

With respect to the NFL I disagree.  The “overlooking an opponent” stuff doesn’t happen in professional sports.  Teams lose focus and have “bad games” for all sorts of reasons, but the bottom line is that — at least in professional sports — there is really no such thing as a “trap game.”  The players on both sides know that the line between very good and very bad is razor thin, and if they don’t respect their opponents they will get their asses kicked.

 

[Matt_In_NH]

I know the Bills are traveling Thursday which is what most teams do and they will try to adjust to the time difference.  When I travel for work, I try and stay on East coast time which is what many teams do when they travel coast to coast within the states, I am curious why they dont try to do that for ondon.  THe game is at 9:30Am EST which is not an unreasonable time to play a game for someone who lives on the east coast, sure you have to get up a little early that day....it is not uncommon to have practice that early during TC......

 

Here is what I would consider.  Travel Saturday early...say leave at 8AM-ish EST and arrive in London at around 2-3PM EST....get to the hotel, get a walkthrough in , go to bed close to your normal EST which will be very early for London, close the blinds in the hotel and just pretend you are at home.  Wake up, do the game, get to the airport and go home....no special play in London  (do that on your own time in the offseason).....just treat it like any other away game.

[Boatdrinks]

28 minutes ago, eball said:

 

With respect to the NFL I disagree.  The “overlooking an opponent” stuff doesn’t happen in professional sports.  Teams lose focus and have “bad games” for all sorts of reasons, but the bottom line is that — at least in professional sports — there is really no such thing as a “trap game.”  The players on both sides know that the line between very good and very bad is razor thin, and if they don’t respect their opponents they will get their asses kicked.

 

Yep. The other team only has to be better that day. That’s why the better team doesn’t always win. The Miami game was huge and an emotional win for sure. Still, I don’t think the Bills will let down. That loss to the Jags a couple years ago hasn’t been forgotten. 

[KCNC]

19 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I know the Bills are traveling Thursday which is what most teams do and they will try to adjust to the time difference.  When I travel for work, I try and stay on East coast time which is what many teams do when they travel coast to coast within the states, I am curious why they dont try to do that for ondon.  THe game is at 9:30Am EST which is not an unreasonable time to play a game for someone who lives on the east coast, sure you have to get up a little early that day....it is not uncommon to have practice that early during TC......

 

Here is what I would consider.  Travel Saturday early...say leave at 8AM-ish EST and arrive in London at around 2-3PM EST....get to the hotel, get a walkthrough in , go to bed close to your normal EST which will be very early for London, close the blinds in the hotel and just pretend you are at home.  Wake up, do the game, get to the airport and go home....no special play in London  (do that on your own time in the offseason).....just treat it like any other away game.

I thought I heard that they are practicing here on Thurs and then traveling on Friday.

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

I heard Sean was going to get the team plastered at an applebees on saturday night and take a redeye to london sunday morning

[Buffalo03]

22 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

The friggin Jags.

 

Feels like its been DECADES of dealing with this crap team and getting burnt way too many times.

 

Time to exorcise those demons and dominate. Hoping to see the same Bills team from the last 3 weeks and not the one that somehow always plays down to the Jags.

 

Want to see a big day out of OUR Josh Allen, and not hear about THEIR Josh Allen for once.

 

 

We have played them 18 times and the record is dead even at 9-9. We have scored 374 points against them. They have scored 369. We have had hard time against them for whatever reason. Even when they have sucked

Edited October 4, 2023 by Buffalo03

[TFBillsfan]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

The Bills are going to smash the Chiefs when they play them.  The Bills have eclipsed the Chiefs in talent by a long shot, and Josh has surpassed Mahomes.

Now they have to prove it when it matters! Until then it’s just words.

[zow2]

I am not comfortable after 4 games with the Bills now considered the Elite team in the AFC,  prohibitive favorites in most games, powerhouse, unstoppable, best defense in McDermott's era, etc..  So now they are going to have to go wire to wire as the AFC favorites with the bullseye on their backs to make the Super Bowl.  I'd rather be playing well, winning a couple close games along the way, then playing their best football come December.  But here we are.   Jacksonville is just dangerous enough to cause problems. I hope not, but the Bills will have the dreaded bodyclock disadvantage as the Jags will be in London for 10+ days already.  

 

[Big Turk]

55 minutes ago, finn said:

I don't understand why opposing teams haven't figured out that you have to take Diggs out of the game, even if it means single coverage on all the other receivers or rushing just four players. Same with KC and Kelce. By doing so, you're trading a sure way to lose for a probable way to lose. The talent level between Diggs and the JAGs, including the TEs, is, well, very different. If he's not checking down, Allen has to work a lot harder to get the ball to the non-Diggs receivers. 

 

Sometimes they do, Allen just gets the ball out to someone else pretty quickly and they get 8-10 yards.  When Diggs gets motioned it's very hard for him to truly get doubled or bumped at the line...it takes away a lot of the effectiveness of that due to him having a 2 way go on those plays.

[Boatdrinks]

29 minutes ago, KCNC said:

I thought I heard that they are practicing here on Thurs and then traveling on Friday.

Taking redeye Thursday nite arriving in UK Friday afternoon. They may be practicing here on Thursday, but not sure. 

[Buffalo03]

1 hour ago, finn said:

I don't understand why opposing teams haven't figured out that you have to take Diggs out of the game, even if it means single coverage on all the other receivers or rushing just four players. Same with KC and Kelce. By doing so, you're trading a sure way to lose for a probable way to lose. The talent level between Diggs and the JAGs, including the TEs, is, well, very different. If he's not checking down, Allen has to work a lot harder to get the ball to the non-Diggs receivers. 

Well hey, if they don't want to, don't encourage them

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, finn said:

I don't understand why opposing teams haven't figured out that you have to take Diggs out of the game, even if it means single coverage on all the other receivers or rushing just four players. Same with KC and Kelce. By doing so, you're trading a sure way to lose for a probable way to lose. The talent level between Diggs and the JAGs, including the TEs, is, well, very different. If he's not checking down, Allen has to work a lot harder to get the ball to the non-Diggs receivers. 

Both diggs/Allen and mahomes/Kelce have such a great rapport that the receivers can improvise based on the coverage and the qbs will still know exactly where they’re gonna be.

Kelce feels like he does a ton of damage finding weak spots in zone coverage.

 

playing man against either of these teams gets tough too because they’ve got a lot of pretty good receivers and the qb can take off running 

 

diggs is such a good route runner too that he’s hard to double even.  True double coverage really isn’t that successful against great wrs…I think I saw some tweet last year that diggs was open like 60% of the time anyway against double coverage 

 

 

 

 

[chongli]

 

[Beck Water]

On 10/3/2023 at 8:09 AM, SoonerBillsFan said:

It's a trap game.  They always play us tough and we are coming off a high.  This is an evolutionary step,we need to beat a team we should beat coming off a game like the fins.

 

Others have gone into the "trap game" thing. 

 

What I'm curious about is your "they always play us tough" thing.  Can you go into that a little bit?

 

I mean, just above this post is a tweet showing a film clip of EJ Manuel throwing to Easley in 2015 "The Buffalo Bills always bring the big plays".

There is so much water under the bridge since that play 8 years ago.   Is there even anyone who was part of the Bills then, still in the building?  Maybe someone lower down on the S&C staff or the scouting, or severing food or something?

 

I looked, and there are actually 3 players who were on the Bills roster that game who are still in football - not on the Bills, but still playing.

Edited October 4, 2023 by Beck Water

[boyst]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Others have gone into the "trap game" thing. 

 

What I'm curious about is your "they always play us tough" thing.  Can you go into that a little bit?

without thinking or backing it up i agree they always play us tough. since Boselli had his 1 career game against Bruce (which was really the springboard to his honestly average career) to the loss a few years ago in Jacksonville where we were flat

 

 

We have scored 344 vs 329 historically.

 

3 of the last 4 games have been games within 3 pts of each other.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

I firmly do not believe in trap games. 

 

21 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Others have gone into the "trap game" thing. 

 

What I'm curious about is your "they always play us tough" thing.  Can you go into that a little bit?

they do and they have. Bills are 1-2 (JA 1-1) in the last 3 meetings. how could anyone forget that barn burner  in '21 with JA in JA's head? or the wildcard loss? JA's only win came on 11/21/18

 

the series is tied at 9-9

The Bills / Jaguars rivalry has been played 18 times (including 2 postseason games), with the Buffalo Bills winning 9 games and the Jacksonville Jaguars winning 9 games

footballdb.com

 

 

 

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, boyst said:

without thinking or backing it up i agree they always play us tough. since Boselli had his 1 career game against Bruce (which was really the springboard to his honestly average career) to the loss a few years ago in Jacksonville where we were flat

 

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We have scored 344 vs 329 historically.

 

3 of the last 4 games have been games within 3 pts of each other.

 

I guess my point is - what does "historically", 10 years ago, or 20 years ago, have to do with the teams that are playing today?

 

Even for a currently great team - I seem to recall that during the Pittsburgh Steelers superbowl run back in the 1970s one of the team leaders said "better take those rings off, boys, and put them on a shelf - they won't help you this season"

 

We've played the Jags a whole 3x under McDermott (your chart is missing the playoff loss under Marrone).  3 times in 7 years, once during his first year when just scraping into the playoffs felt like a huge accomplishment.  Twice during the regular season: one pretty solid 24-21 win Allen's rookie year where the Bills were never behind, and one totally embarrassing loss two years ago.

 

During that time, the Jags have had 4 different HC and 3 different starting QB (maybe more, depending on how you count). 

 

History doesn't seem too relevant in a game with the turnover that NFL football has.

[Low Positive]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

We have played them 18 times and the record is dead even at 9-9. We have scored 374 points against them. They have scored 369. We have had hard time against them for whatever reason. Even when they have sucked

But for a lot of those games the Bills sucked too.