"Suckers and Losers"---Trump on our GI's

[BillStime]

  On 1/11/2024 at 6:01 AM, sherpa said:

 

I'll trust the scores of other POs's that served with him.

You don't matter.

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👆deplorable 

[sherpa]

You can call me whatever you want.

The man was an honorable POW, and I know of nobody who criticizes that.

 

What you cannot do, and why I have always looked at him realistically, is be aware of what those who served with him away from POW camp thought of him.

He was not well thought of in that community.

That's the reality, not matter what you choose to call me.

 

[BillStime]

  On 1/11/2024 at 1:07 PM, sherpa said:

You can call me whatever you want.

The man was an honorable POW, and I know of nobody who criticizes that.

 

What you cannot do, and why I have always looked at him realistically, is be aware of what those who served with him away from POW camp thought of him.

He was not well thought of in that community.

That's the reality, not matter what you choose to call me.

 

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You are trash.
 

McCain was always there for America and served our country admirably.

 

It's really hard to keep up w the cult - they claim our current military is too soft and now telling us McCain was too cocky.

 

Meanwhile:

 

 

 

[Doc]

  On 1/11/2024 at 1:07 PM, sherpa said:

You can call me whatever you want.

The man was an honorable POW, and I know of nobody who criticizes that.

 

What you cannot do, and why I have always looked at him realistically, is be aware of what those who served with him away from POW camp thought of him.

He was not well thought of in that community.

That's the reality, not matter what you choose to call me.

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Yeah.  I always thought he was highly-regarded.  Then I found out otherwise.  Never heard why, though.

[sherpa]

  On 1/11/2024 at 4:48 PM, Doc said:

 

Yeah.  I always thought he was highly-regarded.  Then I found out otherwise.  Never heard why, though.

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First, whatever Trump said about him has noting to do with this. Trump's comment was ignorant, rude and just stupid. He does that a lot.

 

But, when I got to my first fleet squadron, a number of the senior officers knew of him and his Naval career.

It was universally viewed that he was not highly regarded.

His record aside, he was known as a vindictive, ill-tempered individual known for holding  grudges and acting on them.

There were other personal questions that I won't go into.

 

All of that aside, he was an honorable POW, as were almost all of them. Nothing tremendously special like Jim Stockdale or Jeremiah Denton, but honorable.

The people who don't know of that falsely accuse him of things regarding that are completely unfair.

 

Either way, when I see someone post that all Republicans should be like him, or that he "understands civility," that is 180 out from the view of the people who worked for him during his active duty time.   

 

Kind of a funny story.

I flew with his son as my first officer a number of times during his presidential campaign, always NY-Tokyo.

On night, on a trip I wasn't on, he was out for dinner in Tokyo at a favorite airline restaurant, and he and his crew were seated near a British Air crew and one of the BA guys was trashing McCain, stating he was going to invade Iran. McCain, the son, disputed this. The BA first officer kept claiming it was true, and his son kept refuting the claim. The BA guys "how do you know? Why are you so sure," and he says, "becasue he's my Dad and I talk to him a lot."

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[BillStime]

  On 1/11/2024 at 5:25 PM, sherpa said:

First, whatever Trump said about him has noting to do with this. Trump's comment was ignorant, rude and just stupid. He does that a lot.

 

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  On 1/11/2024 at 5:25 PM, sherpa said:

His record aside, he was known as a vindictive, ill-tempered individual known for holding  grudges and acting on them.

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No wonder why Trump didn't like him - he met his match.

 

  On 1/11/2024 at 5:25 PM, sherpa said:

Either way, when I see someone post that all Republicans should be like him, or that he "understands civility," that is 180 out from the view of the people who worked for him during his active duty time.   

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Keep digging man... keep digging.

 

 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

Trump has no respect for the military...or anyone really. 

[Doc]

  On 1/11/2024 at 5:25 PM, sherpa said:

First, whatever Trump said about him has noting to do with this. Trump's comment was ignorant, rude and just stupid. He does that a lot.

 

But, when I got to my first fleet squadron, a number of the senior officers knew of him and his Naval career.

It was universally viewed that he was not highly regarded.

His record aside, he was known as a vindictive, ill-tempered individual known for holding  grudges and acting on them.

There were other personal questions that I won't go into.

 

All of that aside, he was an honorable POW, as were almost all of them. Nothing tremendously special like Jim Stockdale or Jeremiah Denton, but honorable.

The people who don't know of that falsely accuse him of things regarding that are completely unfair.

 

Either way, when I see someone post that all Republicans should be like him, or that he "understands civility," that is 180 out from the view of the people who worked for him during his active duty time.   

 

Kind of a funny story.

I flew with his son as my first officer a number of times during his presidential campaign, always NY-Tokyo.

On night, on a trip I wasn't on, he was out for dinner in Tokyo at a favorite airline restaurant, and he and his crew were seated near a British Air crew and one of the BA guys was trashing McCain, stating he was going to invade Iran. McCain, the son, disputed this. The BA first officer kept claiming it was true, and his son kept refuting the claim. The BA guys "how do you know? Why are you so sure," and he says, "becasue he's my Dad and I talk to him a lot."

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Yup.  Again Kammy called Joke a racist and then said it was debate tactics.

[BillsFanNC]

Trump's beef with McCain was because he and his team were the main spreaders of the Steele dossier.

 

Can't imagine why anyone would hold a grudge over something like that.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/i-would-do-it-again-mccain-writes-about-release-of-steele-dossier-to-fbi

[John from Riverside]

  On 1/11/2024 at 1:07 PM, sherpa said:

You can call me whatever you want.

The man was an honorable POW, and I know of nobody who criticizes that.

 

What you cannot do, and why I have always looked at him realistically, is be aware of what those who served with him away from POW camp thought of him.

He was not well thought of in that community.

That's the reality, not matter what you choose to call me.

 

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Trump literally criticizes him

  On 1/11/2024 at 9:33 PM, BillsFanNC said:

Trump's beef with McCain was because he and his team were the main spreaders of the Steele dossier.

 

Can't imagine why anyone would hold a grudge over something like that.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/i-would-do-it-again-mccain-writes-about-release-of-steele-dossier-to-fbi

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I guess that makes it OK for him to act entirely unpresidential
 

That really is Trump‘s problem. It’s also the reason why the *****heads love him.

  On 1/11/2024 at 9:23 PM, Doc said:

 

Yup.  Again Kammy called Joke a racist and then said it was debate tactics.

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It really surprises. Me Doc that you can’t see through this.
 

I campaign tactic is something you use for a little while and then you move on

 

Trump never moves on from any grudge he ever has with anyone he is completely unfit to be a president

[Doc]

  On 1/12/2024 at 1:16 AM, John from Riverside said:

It really surprises. Me Doc that you can’t see through this.

 

I campaign tactic is something you use for a little while and then you move on

 

Trump never moves on from any grudge he ever has with anyone he is completely unfit to be a president

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Sorry but I don't see calling someone "racist" as something flippant that you "move on" from.  It's a serious charge.  So either she was lying when she called him one or lying when she said it was a "campaign tactic."

[John from Riverside]

  On 1/12/2024 at 2:16 AM, Doc said:

 

Sorry but I don't see calling someone "racist" as something flippant that you "move on" from.  It's a serious charge.  So either she was lying when she called him one or lying when she said it was a "campaign tactic."

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I’m trying to remember a time whenever people didn’t insult each other in debates

 

Once again, the two things are not equal. You asked Trump about John McKee today and he will go on about his rant about how he doesn’t like people that got captured.

 

 

what’s funny is McCain is twice the man as he is Trump getting tortured he would cry like a little B word

[Doc]

  On 1/12/2024 at 2:25 AM, John from Riverside said:

I’m trying to remember a time whenever people didn’t insult each other in debates

 

Once again, the two things are not equal. You asked Trump about John McKee today and he will go on about his rant about how he doesn’t like people that got captured.

 

 

what’s funny is McCain is twice the man as he is Trump getting tortured he would cry like a little B word

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Which is worse of an insult: calling someone a racist or saying "I like guys who don't get captured"?  The answer is clear.

 

Sure I think Trump still holds a grudge against McCain for his part in the Steele Dossier nonsense.  But if you were to ask Kammy in private if she still thinks Joke is a racist, she'd tell you yes.  I'd have more respect for her if she stuck to her guns instead of lying about not meaning it.

[BillStime]

  On 1/12/2024 at 2:51 AM, Doc said:

 

Which is worse of an insult: calling someone a racist or saying "I like guys who don't get captured"?  The answer is clear.

 

Sure I think Trump still holds a grudge against McCain for his part in the Steele Dossier nonsense.  But if you were to ask Kammy in private if she still thinks Joke is a racist, she'd tell you yes.  I'd have more respect for her if she stuck to her guns instead of lying about not meaning it.

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There is zero chance in hell that you are an MD.

 

You never ever fn think.

 

 

[John from Riverside]

  On 1/12/2024 at 2:51 AM, Doc said:

 

Which is worse of an insult: calling someone a racist or saying "I like guys who don't get captured"?  The answer is clear.

 

Sure I think Trump still holds a grudge against McCain for his part in the Steele Dossier nonsense.  But if you were to ask Kammy in private if she still thinks Joke is a racist, she'd tell you yes.  I'd have more respect for her if she stuck to her guns instead of lying about not meaning it.

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In your opinion, it’s a worse insult, not mine

[sherpa]

  On 1/12/2024 at 1:16 AM, John from Riverside said:

Trump literally criticizes him

 

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That's why I said Trumps comment was :rude, ignorant and stupid."

When I said I never heard his POW actions criticized by people, I was talking about people who actually knew something about the situation. 

The North Vietnam POW experience caused significant changes in the US' military view of this type of thing and was responsible for changes to the "Code of Conduct," and significant philosophical and material change to POW school training.  

[Doc]

  On 1/12/2024 at 4:29 AM, John from Riverside said:

In your opinion, it’s a worse insult, not mine

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In most people's opinion John, being called a racist is a far worse insult. 

[BillStime]

  On 1/12/2024 at 2:16 PM, Doc said:

 

In most people's opinion John, being called a racist is a far worse insult. 

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