Elam's issues

[JGMcD2]

48 minutes ago, Sargent Hulka said:

My biggest takeaway is that whoever the college scout on Beane's staff is that recommended Elam as their 1st Round pick, he should never again be involved with picking that high of a selection. Honestly, some of the Bills scouts suck at their job.

This is just a woefully ignorant statement.
 

You have no idea who the scouts are, what they said, and quite frankly no idea how difficult projecting talent is. 

[Brian Higgins hair]

29 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

This is just a woefully ignorant statement.
 

You have no idea who the scouts are, what they said, and quite frankly no idea how difficult projecting talent is. 

…and of course, the same scouting staff plucked C. Benford from complete obscurity and found a 6th round rook who happens to be a starting NFL quality CB.

No one can 100% accurately predict a player’s NFL faults or uncovered contributions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited October 3, 2023 by Brian Higgins hair

[Augie]

2 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

38-10, 37-3, 48-20

 

BINGO!!! 

[SCBills]

46 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I just think McDermott doesn't trust Elam.  It has to be the mental part because he physically has it.

 

You saw how precise the Bills defense is from what we saw on the Dolphins game review.  Elam probably just isn't in the right spot or gets easily confused or bites on play fakes....something mentally is keeping him off the field.  

 

Agreed.   And didn't we play zone against Miami at a wildly high clip?

 

Elam has every physical trait you could want in a corner and I still have belief he can be a big time player for us, but I also think we would be smart to get in the market for a veteran corner more well-versed in zone, even if just as depth/4th CB on the 53. 

[Not at the table Karlos]

1 hour ago, Tommy Callahan said:

Huge fan of 47.   Hopefully the benching put a fire in his belly and we see it when he comes back.

 

 

When was Benford benched?

[Big Turk]

I think it comes down to 3 things:

 

1) Elam was mostly a man corner and perhaps does not have a good enough grasp of how the Bills pass off defenders in some of their zone concepts...it can be a complicated dance they do where everyone has to be on the same page or else one wrong "pass off" can lead to a busted coverage and wide open player for 6.

 

2) This leads to the coaches not trusting Elam to be in the right position on the field or make the right decision. Perhaps he also doesn't know how to sit in his zone properly and is out of position to make plays.

 

3) Elam has a tendency to get called for holding, illegal contact and PI quite a bit seemingly...nothing worse than giving the offense a free 1st down on a 3rd and 15 because you are holding your guy on a 7 yard pass pattern that wouldn't have even been a first down anyway.

 

I remember hearing several times in training camp about Diggs getting in his face due to excessive holding he was doing on a play.

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by Big Turk

[Tommy Callahan]

1 hour ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

When was Benford benched?

I don't think he was. he got hurt but was seen back in the game.

 

posting from a phone.  first sentence was Benford. I think he is our best corner with white down.  second was about Elam having a fire in his belly, hopefully.

 

 

[Snowbowl]

2 hours ago, arcane said:

It's pretty clear from interviews that Elam gets lost in zone coverages and just doesn't have that intuition for where he needs to be and move to. He's fine in man coverage and has shown that. Beane's comments that they wish it was just a work ethic thing allude to the fact that something isnt happening right mentally when he is playing our system. Hopefully he can figure it out - he's young. But when you watch any film breakdown it's clear how important it is in our system (and any system) to be able to communicate and leverage yourself properly every play. These things aren't easy 

Bingo! He’s not the sharpest tack in the box. Great kid. Hope the light bulb goes off for him soon. 

[uninja]

Whatever Elam's issues might be, he's going to have to figure it out quickly but at least we have a slate of games where he can settle in and find his legs before the back end of the schedule shows up and ***** gets real.

 

Hope Benford is okay and bounces back quick, we're already a bit thin at CB but have some players like Neal or Lewis that can play that spot in a pinch. Feel good about Jackson/Benford/Elam holding it down, but gonna be lame if we're down to our second string secondary by week 4 with the prospect of having to call up Ingram or Brown off the practice squad to round out depth.

[Nuncha]

14 hours ago, All I Need is Hope said:

Makes it even more puzzling to understand why they can't get top end production out of someone with Elam's elite athletic traits

 

I have a feeling he is struggling with his assignments in this defense for whatever reason.  

[BRH]

13 hours ago, NickelCity said:

I'm hoping the annoyance is just due to "what do you want me to say he's not practicing as well as the other guys..."

 

This.  And he's been answering the same question for weeks now.  There's nothing else to say at this point.

 

I'd rather have a coach who puts the best eleven on the field than someone who worries about what the media and fans think.  They should be asking Beane about Elam, not McD.

[babulator]

Remember how impressed the staff was when he brought his notebook to the team interview? They really hyped that up. 😇

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Terrell Bernard was in the dog house too and look how far he’s come along. 

[HoofHearted]

13 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Bottomline is Tre works extremely hard and is smarter (High School Valedictorian). Elam works harder but is likely not as smart as Tre. So you have two 1st round corners one who is one of the smartest in the NFL and is the hardest worker. That is a tough bar to clear if you are Elam.  As for Benford and Jackson it is my opinion that the Bills CB 2 is likely more a position of dealing with WR 2 and that is less demanding athletically. 

It's not. We play with field and boundary corners. They don't travel with receivers.

[Dat]

His notebook under the chapter "Zone" just has a big question mark and a bunch of doodles of cat women.

[JoeF]

5 minutes ago, Dat said:

His notebook under the chapter "Zone" just has a big question mark and a bunch of doodles of cat women.

Stole a copy of Elam's notebook page 1 under the Cover2 section...

 

[SCBills]

42 minutes ago, uninja said:

Whatever Elam's issues might be, he's going to have to figure it out quickly but at least we have a slate of games where he can settle in and find his legs before the back end of the schedule shows up and ***** gets real.

 

Hope Benford is okay and bounces back quick, we're already a bit thin at CB but have some players like Neal or Lewis that can play that spot in a pinch. Feel good about Jackson/Benford/Elam holding it down, but gonna be lame if we're down to our second string secondary by week 4 with the prospect of having to call up Ingram or Brown off the practice squad to round out depth.

 

Bright side is this happened before the trade deadline.

 

I do think we should have belief that Benford, Jackson and Elam can be a very solid outside unit .. especially with the Front 7 and Safety play around them .. but, worse case scenario, we can make a move for legitimate help. 

[K-9]

1 hour ago, Snowbowl said:

Bingo! He’s not the sharpest tack in the box. Great kid. Hope the light bulb goes off for him soon. 

I think we want the light bulb to go on for him soon. 

[RkFast]

On Sunday night, Muki Hawkins was part of a Twitter space, which he does often, and strongly implied that it was attitude based. He wouldnt say, becuase he cant violate privacy as someone who has lockerroom access, but he basically said "read between the lines."

 

Take that for what you will......

[cage]

3 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

This is just a woefully ignorant statement.
 

You have no idea who the scouts are, what they said, and quite frankly no idea how difficult projecting talent is. 

 

....all that and there's never been a 1st round pick selected on the basis of the "word" of one scout.  Beane traded up a few slots for him, didn't he.... as he was the last player on the board left with a first round grade