Brand J Posted January 1 Posted January 1 Going into the last regular season game of the year, Allen ranks: 12th in completion percentage (65.6) 7th in yards (3,947) 11th in yds/att (7.3) 7th in passing TDs (27) 2nd highest INTs (16) 16th in passer rating (91.5) He ranks #1 in total TDs (42) 3rd in QBR (68.2) His receivers rank 7th in drop percentage (5%) and number of drops (27). If more of his damage was done through the air I think he would’ve been the odds on MVP favorite. If he had put on a show these past two weeks against bottom feeders Chargers and Patriots, I think he could’ve wrapped up MVP with a win and a solid performance vs the Dolphins. As it is, the award is Lamar’s to lose. Josh has been too inconsistent and the numbers/eye test bear that out. Quote
Chicken Boo Posted January 1 Posted January 1 2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: What if he scores another 5 rushing TDs against the Dolphins ? Then he'll win offensive player of the week. 1 Quote
Scott7975 Posted January 2 Posted January 2 Let me know when Allen has an offensive design and a #1 or even a #2 or any damn receiver that Josh can throw to like this and he will be MVP too. 1 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 2 Posted January 2 Just now, Gregg said: LJ has the 2023 MVP won. He deserves it. His play the last 2 games won it. Unless Allen has 6-7 TD's in Miami 1 1 Quote
The Jokeman Posted January 2 Posted January 2 21 hours ago, JayBaller10 said: Going into the last regular season game of the year, Allen ranks: 12th in completion percentage (65.6) 7th in yards (3,947) 11th in yds/att (7.3) 7th in passing TDs (27) 2nd highest INTs (16) 16th in passer rating (91.5) He ranks #1 in total TDs (42) 3rd in QBR (68.2) His receivers rank 7th in drop percentage (5%) and number of drops (27). If more of his damage was done through the air I think he would’ve been the odds on MVP favorite. If he had put on a show these past two weeks against bottom feeders Chargers and Patriots, I think he could’ve wrapped up MVP with a win and a solid performance vs the Dolphins. As it is, the award is Lamar’s to lose. Josh has been too inconsistent and the numbers/eye test bear that out. Had Jackson not been perfect against Miami then the debate for Allen could be real. Yet Jackson had a performance for the ages and it's going to leave a lasting impression on voters. Quote
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 2 Posted January 2 7 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Let me know when Allen has an offensive design and a #1 or even a #2 or any damn receiver that Josh can throw to like this and he will be MVP too. That was a heck of a lot more bad defense than good play design haha. Everyone and their mother bit on the play fake 1 Quote
Chicken Boo Posted January 2 Posted January 2 8 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Let me know when Allen has an offensive design and a #1 or even a #2 or any damn receiver that Josh can throw to like this and he will be MVP too. He had Gabe wide open in the endzone in consecutive weeks. Missed him/miscommunication on 1 and didn't see him on the other. 3 Quote
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted January 2 Posted January 2 5 minutes ago, Gregg said: LJ has the 2023 MVP won. He deserves it. I agree he's going to win, but does he deserve it? I think this'll be an all-time weak résumé for an MVP. Leave Lamar's stats exactly the same, but pretend his defense choked away multiple games like the Bills DEF did. If the Ravens are 11-5 at this point is Lamar even in the top 5 for MVP ? 1 Quote
DapperCam Posted January 2 Posted January 2 Allen should have gotten his perfect passer rating game vs the Dolphins at the end of the season instead of the beginning of the season. What was he thinking? Doesn’t he know that games at the end of the year are more important for MVP voters? Quote
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 2 Posted January 2 41 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I agree he's going to win, but does he deserve it? I think this'll be an all-time weak résumé for an MVP. Leave Lamar's stats exactly the same, but pretend his defense choked away multiple games like the Bills DEF did. If the Ravens are 11-5 at this point is Lamar even in the top 5 for MVP ? The Ravens defense has blown leads in all of their losses, including 2 double digit ones. Quote
CincyBillsFan Posted January 2 Posted January 2 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: The Ravens defense has blown leads in all of their losses, including 2 double digit ones. That's true but Jackson's late game pick six against the Browns didn't help ether. I think Jackson will win this years MVP but there will be a lot of other guys getting a decent amount of votes. For the record Jackson's challenge isn't winning a 2nd MVP but playing well and winning some playoff games. In Jackson's 4 playoff games to date (1 - 3 record) he has not been exceptional in any one of them and he's been bad in 3 of them. Quote
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 2 Posted January 2 42 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I agree he's going to win, but does he deserve it? I think this'll be an all-time weak résumé for an MVP. Leave Lamar's stats exactly the same, but pretend his defense choked away multiple games like the Bills DEF did. If the Ravens are 11-5 at this point is Lamar even in the top 5 for MVP ? 102.7 qb rating 8 wins by double digits against teams with winning records (no need to stat pad) 4,500 total yards 13-3, with all 3 losses they had leads in late. That is an all time weak MVP resume? 1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said: That's true but Jackson's late game pick six against the Browns didn't help ether. I think Jackson will win this years MVP but there will be a lot of other guys getting a decent amount of votes. For the record Jackson's challenge isn't winning a 2nd MVP but playing well and winning some playoff games. In Jackson's 4 playoff games to date (1 - 3 record) he has not been exceptional in any one of them and he's been bad in 3 of them. I agree about the playoffs. But we have become so blind by the stats. I’d rather have Allen have Jackson’s year and limit his turnovers, which could have lead to more wins. I also know those risks make Allen great but it’s not honest to think they haven’t hurt us too. Quote
Herc11 Posted January 2 Posted January 2 21 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: 102.7 qb rating 8 wins by double digits against teams with winning records (no need to stat pad) 4,500 total yards 13-3, with all 3 losses they had leads in late. That is an all time weak MVP resume? Only two of the stats you listed are solely Lamar's. His stats across the board are middle of the pack. He was only considered for MVP after Purdy crapped the bed. 1 Quote
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted January 2 Posted January 2 17 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: The Ravens defense has blown leads in all of their losses, including 2 double digit ones. Lamar was worse in the Steelers loss than JA was in week 1 against the Jets. Lamar lost a fumble, got sacked for a safety, and threw an INT (on a drive that started on the PIT 7 yard line after a Steelers turnover) while leading his team to 10 total points. His DEF allowed 15 points. He was pretty bad in the Colts game as well. After taking a 17-16 lead with 7:33 left in the 4th Lamar's offense had 3 punts, a missed 61 yard FG, and a turnover on downs. The Ravens defense had 2 stops in OT (that's 2 more stops than the Bills DEF had in our 2 OT games combined) and only allowed 22 points total. Their loss to the Browns was a rollercoaster. Ravens DEF allowed 26 points and scored on a pick-6. Lamar and the offense put up 24 points, and he threw 2 INTs (one of which was returned for a TD). Ravens last 2 possessions in the 4th quarter with a chance to ice the game were the pick-6 and a punt. I'd say Lamar blew those games more than the DEF did. Quote
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 2 Posted January 2 15 minutes ago, Herc11 said: Only two of the stats you listed are solely Lamar's. His stats across the board are middle of the pack. He was only considered for MVP after Purdy crapped the bed. Him being qb of the 4th ranked offense while throwing for the fewest ints in the league does help that team win games? Allen is a monster. But a major difference between us and the Ravens (similarly ranked offenses and defenses) is turnovers. To discount the value of taking care of the ball is extremely foolish. 7 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Lamar was worse in the Steelers loss than JA was in week 1 against the Jets. Lamar lost a fumble, got sacked for a safety, and threw an INT (on a drive that started on the PIT 7 yard line after a Steelers turnover) while leading his team to 10 total points. His DEF allowed 15 points. He was pretty bad in the Colts game as well. After taking a 17-16 lead with 7:33 left in the 4th Lamar's offense had 3 punts, a missed 61 yard FG, and a turnover on downs. The Ravens defense had 2 stops in OT (that's 2 more stops than the Bills DEF had in our 2 OT games combined) and only allowed 22 points total. Their loss to the Browns was a rollercoaster. Ravens DEF allowed 26 points and scored on a pick-6. Lamar and the offense put up 24 points, and he threw 2 INTs (one of which was returned for a TD). Ravens last 2 possessions in the 4th quarter with a chance to ice the game were the pick-6 and a punt. I'd say Lamar blew those games more than the DEF did. You could do the same thing for us. Offense was completely garbage for the 1st halves of the Jets, Pats, Jags, Broncos, Chargers, Pats games. the Ravens and Lamar have gotten stronger as the season has gone on. Quote
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 2 Posted January 2 The narrative not with just the media but football fans in general that don't watch much of the Bills is too negative for Josh to have a shot. Quote
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 2 Posted January 2 5 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: The narrative not with just the media but football fans in general that don't watch much of the Bills is too negative for Josh to have a shot. This mindset is so outdated. The Bills might be the team that is on primetime the most this season. There were plenty of showcase games - the chargers for instance - where Allen could have put on a show. His highs are as high as anyone. But to act like this has been a real inconsistent offense is kinda weird. We just take off quarters and halves. Quote
Dopey Posted January 2 Posted January 2 1 hour ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I agree he's going to win, but does he deserve it? I think this'll be an all-time weak résumé for an MVP. Leave Lamar's stats exactly the same, but pretend his defense choked away multiple games like the Bills DEF did. If the Ravens are 11-5 at this point is Lamar even in the top 5 for MVP ? Are you including the Jets game that Josh lost on his own? He sucked against Denver too. You can’t lead the league in turnovers and be MVP. Lamar is the MVP. Not even close. 2 Quote
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 2 Posted January 2 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: This mindset is so outdated. The Bills might be the team that is on primetime the most this season. There were plenty of showcase games - the chargers for instance - where Allen could have put on a show. His highs are as high as anyone. But to act like this has been a real inconsistent offense is kinda weird. We just take off quarters and halves. That part's probably true, and Josh really hasn't taken advantage of those situations. I didn't really convey it well in my post there but my point was more that I believe Josh does a lot to make up for bad coaching and lack of scheme and WR's that can't get open and I don't think other teams fans or the media in general really see that, a lot of them just buy into the narrative that he's just a big turnover machine for no apparent reason. I do think he's had more of those bad reads and missed opportunities this season but I also think they discount what he's working with here at times. Quote
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