2023 MVP: Lamar will win it with 15 fewer TDs than Josh Allen (end of season talk pg 75+)

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

He would be if he was on the Dolphins, yes. Much better arm and waaaay more athletic 

 

Yeah but tua's precision is what makes a lot of that offense go.  When he's on that RPO attack can be really tough to stop.  

[The Wiz]

49 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Yeah but tua's precision is what makes a lot of that offense go.  When he's on that RPO attack can be really tough to stop.  

This is probably my favorite thing I heard this morning from some talking heads (and they are probably the 3 biggest Allen critics. Keyshawn, Irvin and Skip)

 

Tua, to them, is still the front runner for MVP because of how great "the miami offense" has been.

 

In the same breathe, they said that the game didn't lift Josh in the MVP talk because his receivers ran great routes to get open.

 

 

 

So the fact that Hill and Waddle can run a couple yards and make a quick catch and run by everyone makes Tua the favorite? 

 

Josh Allen wins games by himself; the offense that Tua plays in make him look better than he is and the bills showed that yesterday.

 

 

As most have said, I don't really care too much about the league MVP but at the same time, I feel like when you make the same point as a positive for one player and a excuse for another, you're still hanging on to a bit of bias.

 

[pennstate10]

2 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

This is probably my favorite thing I heard this morning from some talking heads (and they are probably the 3 biggest Allen critics. Keyshawn, Irvin and Skip)

 

Tua, to them, is still the front runner for MVP because of how great "the miami offense" has been.

 

In the same breathe, they said that the game didn't lift Josh in the MVP talk because his receivers ran great routes to get open.

 

 

 

So the fact that Hill and Waddle can run a couple yards and make a quick catch and run by everyone makes Tua the favorite? 

 

Josh Allen wins games by himself; the offense that Tua plays in make him look better than he is and the bills showed that yesterday.

 

 

As most have said, I don't really care too much about the league MVP but at the same time, I feel like when you make the same point as a positive for one player and a excuse for another, you're still hanging on to a bit of bias.

 

Coincidentally, those 3 are the dumbest NFL analysts around. 

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

Coincidentally, those 3 are the dumbest NFL analysts around. 

I complete agree, but any other reason that they could have thrown out would have been at least in the realm of considering it.  Also Skip said that was the best game that he's ever see Allen play.  Apparently he missed that Perfect game against the Pats.

[Wraith]

1 hour ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Yeah but tua's precision is what makes a lot of that offense go.  When he's on that RPO attack can be really tough to stop.  

Allen's ball placement is every bit as good as Tua's. He has been elite in that category for several years now.

[AlfaBill]

6 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

Coincidentally, those 3 are the dumbest NFL analysts around. 

That’s the answer right here. 3 tools. 
Mon the opposite side check out Simms latest unbuttoned. He actually said most talking heads are idiots for writing off Josh. And he himself admitted he was wrong. Not many do though. 

[strive_for_five_guy]

After yesterday, Josh needs to recreate this video:

 

 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

18 hours ago, loedward22 said:

So why is Mahomes listed with better odds?

 

He's not

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/2023-nfl-odds-christian-mccaffreys-mvp-odds-on-move-josh-allen-new-favorite

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-mvp-betting-odds-update-week-4-2023/

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/mvp/

[loedward22]

5 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

He's not

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/2023-nfl-odds-christian-mccaffreys-mvp-odds-on-move-josh-allen-new-favorite

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-mvp-betting-odds-update-week-4-2023/

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/mvp/

he was when the OP started this (which was before Mahomes played last night)(also it looks like maybe some threads were merged; I’m referring to the OP of a thread that had Allen prematurely announced as MVP favorite)

 

Edited October 2, 2023 by loedward22

[transplantbillsfan]

18 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

If he played like this every week he might have a chance at MVP but he's too hot or cold. The MVP is good every game, not just good one game then crap the next. We are on to the Jags where he couldn't complete a pass last year so let's not too ahead of ourselves 

 

Such a myopic perspective.

 

Every week?  You honestly think QBs play like MVPs every week in their MVP seasons?  Did you see Mahomes yesterday vs. the Jets?

 

Right now, Josh Allen is leading a 3-1 football team and is currently:

 

6th in passing yards

5th in YPA

1st in Completion % 

Tied for 1st in Total TDs

4th in Passer Rating

 

Yes, Josh has 4 interceptions.  So does Mahomes.  And Tua suddenly has 3.

[transplantbillsfan]

18 hours ago, Strethor said:

I care about the Lombardi trophy not the MVP award 

 

 

 

They aren't mutually exclusive.  Both can be nice.  We all obviously want a Super Bowl first.

[Warcodered]

 

[transplantbillsfan]

 

[transplantbillsfan]

Anyone feel like Josh Allen and AJ Epenesa are the only 2 players to get on the plane along with the refs?

 

Devastating drops. Phantom penalties & injuries galore. Horrible play calling for the 1st handful of drives--definitely a trend for Dorsey.

 

Regroup and petition the NFL to never force the Bills to play the Jags in London again.

 

 

Still... 5 games down:

 

73.1% completion percentage 

305 yards per game

105.6 Passer Rating 

14 TDs 

6 Turnovers 

8 YPA

[DapperCam]

Still had a very good game in terms of counting stats for a loss, but need first seed in the AFC to win MVP.

[BillsMontreal]

14 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Anyone feel like Josh Allen and AJ Epenesa are the only 2 players to get on the plane along with the refs?

 

Devastating drops. Phantom penalties & injuries galore. Horrible play calling for the 1st handful of drives--definitely a trend for Dorsey.

 

Regroup and petition the NFL to never force the Bills to play the Jags in London again.

 

 

Still... 5 games down:

 

73.1% completion percentage 

305 yards per game

105.6 Passer Rating 

14 TDs 

6 Turnovers 

8 YPA

Not sure on this one. We have 2 entire drives against prevent defense.  I'm a big fan of Allen and we're lucky to have a top QB like him.  But, our offense before those drives against Prevent had only one good drive and some good plays only here and there. Our offense had the ball a lot of times with only one score behing. They didnt score.

[ToGoGo]

2 minutes ago, BillsMontreal said:

Not sure on this one. We have 2 entire drives against prevent defense.  I'm a big fan of Allen and we're lucky to have a top QB like him.  But, our offense before those drives against Prevent had only one good drive and some good plays only here and there. Our offense had the ball a lot of times with only one score behing. They didnt score.

Voters and fans don’t watch the games unless they’re night games. 
 

Allen needs stats and big prime time performances to win MVP. Nobody watches England games. 
 

He’s still in the running as long as we make the playoffs. 

[GunnerBill]

Josh underthrew the pick. Definitely. Was right in front of me and Diggs had to come back 3 or 4 yards to even compete for that ball. If he gets it out in front it is a touchdown.

 

Other than that play though I am not putting any of the rest on Josh. OL had its worst game. Drops all over the place. Run game never got going. And confusing gameplan... against a team running a lot of man we ran no outside rubs, I didn't see a single crosser.... that is "playing against a man team playcalling 101".

[Dr.Sack]

Too many balls thrown to a man and not enough passes leading the man into open space. Kincaid being incorporated into the offense is absolutely essential to adding a missing dynamic. The offense must continually evolve or it will stagnate. 

[Andrew Son]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Josh underthrew the pick. Definitely. Was right in front of me and Diggs had to come back 3 or 4 yards to even compete for that ball. If he gets it out in front it is a touchdown.

 

Other than that play though I am not putting any of the rest on Josh. OL had its worst game. Drops all over the place. Run game never got going. And confusing gameplan... against a team running a lot of man we ran no outside rubs, I didn't see a single crosser.... that is "playing against a man team playcalling 101".

The other deep one to Diggs was just as bad.  Good shot at the go ahead TD if Diggs didn't have to stop and wait for it.