2023 MVP: Lamar will win it with 15 fewer TDs than Josh Allen (end of season talk pg 75+)

[Ralonzo]

Too late for a Darnold MVP run?

[julian]

These SF weapons and Shanahan’s play calling is something to behold

12 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

I can get behind CMC or Hill as MVP this year, but I do think Allen has to be in the convo should the Bills win out and Allen balls out

If he finishes the season on a 5 game win streak division title #2 seed and 45+ TDs he’s the MVP

[DapperCam]

Allen has 16 more TDs than Lamar Jackson. 16 more TDs!

 

That’s like a quarter of a season worth of TDs for an elite QB, and there are still 2 more games to extend his lead.

[strive_for_five_guy]

29 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

This might be the most divided MVP voting we have seen in a long time unless someone just turns into an absolute unit the last 2 weeks.

 

All the QBs that were front runners are falling off and the skill players are in the mix with Allen (you know, the guy that leads the nfl in TDs).

Whether we agree with it or not (I wouldn’t), If Baltimore beats Miami next week, Lamar gonna win MVP.  Miami wins, then possibly either Tua or Hill, or CMC.  Just don’t see Josh winning it if the Bills don’t win the division, and that can only happen with Ravens winning next week (and Lamar then MVP).

[Warcodered]

Lamar had 2 TDs in this game one of which started right outside the door of the endzone, about 250 yards passing and oh let's not forget he ran backwards 15 yards to take a safety.

 

Most importantly though he's not Josh.

 

I mean we can't just say he's dead as the MVP because of turnovers then he still kind of has them and he's the MVP.

 

Got to have someone else, CMC I get, Hill makes sense even if I don't like the guy, Lamar just hasn't done it this year like he did before.

Edited December 26, 2023 by Warcodered

[The Wiz]

10 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Whether we agree with it or not (I wouldn’t), If Baltimore beats Miami next week, Lamar gonna win MVP.  Miami wins, then possibly either Tua or Hill, or CMC.  Just don’t see Josh winning it if the Bills don’t win the division, and that can only happen with Ravens winning next week (and Lamar then MVP).

Even if Lamar wins and gets the 1 seeds, I cant see how a player with possibly half the amount of total TD, less yards and completion percentage as another player at a lower seed could be considered higher.

Edited December 26, 2023 by The Wiz

[Process]

I honestly think Allen has no chance. Ravens will be the one seed, which means a lot. And the combination of bias against Allen and for Lamar is way too strong.

 

Going to be absolutely ridiculous to have a QB with less than 30 total TDs win. 

[FireChans]

I have a confession. I placed a wager on Josh Allen winning MVP before the KC game.

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Even if Lamar wins and gets the 1 seeds, I cant see how a player with possibly half the amount of total TD, less yards and completion percentage as another player at a lower seed could be considered higher.

I'm fine w Lamar winning MVP

 

Playing well, getting the Ravens the 1seed, and lost his best weapon is a strong narrative

[Warcodered]

Just now, FireChans said:

I have a confession. I placed a wager on Josh Allen winning MVP before the KC game.

Made a lot of sense at that time or even before the Eagles game his odds really long but he had a perfect set up to run the table so maybe a good bet risk/reward.

[strive_for_five_guy]

7 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Even if Lamar wins and gets the 1 seeds, I cant see how a player with possibly half the amount of total TD, less yards and completion percentage as another player at a lower seed could be considered higher.

I agree with what you’re saying, the media just dotes on the “best” regular season team though.  And Ravens beat the Niners tonight for the current claim of best record.  Dolphins could muddy those waters next week, but then we don’t win the division.  Anyone know how many league MVPs there have been for teams that did not win their division? 

[DapperCam]

19 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Lamar had 2 TDs in this game one of which started right outside the door of the endzone, about 250 yards passing and oh let's not forget he ran backwards 15 yards to take a safety.

 

Most importantly though he's not Josh.

 

I mean we can't just say he's dead as the MVP because of turnovers then he still kind of has them and he's the MVP.

 

Got to have someone else, CMC I get, Hill makes sense even if I don't like the guy, Lamar just hasn't done it this year like he did before.

Jackson’s TD drives were 8 yards and 44 yards. The majority of the yards on the “longer” drive was a 39 yard run after catch dump off to a RB. He was completely unremarkable, and this MVP talk makes me feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

[Billznut]

Current MVP oddsmakers list on ESPN just now:

 

1)Lamar

2)CMC

3)Tua

4)Allen

5)Purdy

[ChrisWatson#21]

Winning MVP doesn't make anyone the best player in the league.  If Lamar wins it good for him.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, BeastMaster said:

I can get behind CMC or Hill as MVP this year, but I do think Allen has to be in the convo should the Bills win out and Allen balls out

What about Lamar?

[JohnNord]

8 minutes ago, Billznut said:

Current MVP oddsmakers list on ESPN just now:

 

1)Lamar

2)CMC

3)Tua

4)Allen

5)Purdy

Hill goes before Tua on just about everyone’s list.

[DapperCam]

2 minutes ago, ChrisWatson#21 said:

Winning MVP doesn't make anyone the best player in the league.  If Lamar wins it good for him.

Either you believe it should go to the player with the best stats, or the player that is “most valuable” to their team’s performance (vs a league average player in their position).

 

Jackson satisfies neither of those, so the only reason he would win is he’s the QB on the #1 seed team. It would be the weakest MVP in a very long time.

[JohnNord]

I think that Josh has a legit chance at MVP but a few things will need to happen:

 

#1 Miami will have to lose their last two.

#2 Buffalo will need to win their last two and secure #2 in the AFCE

#3 Josh will have to have 2 monster games in the process.

 

If these happen, and I think there’s a decent chance, I think Josh has a chance to win MVP.

 

In this scenario of course, the biggest completion will be Lamar, CMC, or Hill.  Any of those three can also have monster games over the final two and steal MVP.  

[Dr.Sack]

Ironically the best chance Allen has is for Tua to beat Lamar, and then the media switches to Tua praise mode for a week, then Allen curb stomps Tua a second time. That said I know this costs us any home game outside of the 7 seed going on a tear. 

[Warcodered]

14 minutes ago, Billznut said:

Current MVP oddsmakers list on ESPN just now:

 

1)Lamar

2)CMC

3)Tua

4)Allen

5)Purdy

Tua ahead of Allen is insane, he had 1 TD against the Cowboys that's it and that's not even because his RBs were punching it that day, his offense couldn't get 6 it was practically nothing but 3s.