2023 MVP: Lamar will win it with 15 fewer TDs than Josh Allen (end of season talk pg 75+)

[transplantbillsfan]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

I know he needs to be aggressive for us to have any chance. Our skill players are not going to make big plays happen all their own. Just in games against bad offenses he can afford to play more reserved, that's all. Still I recognize he was the only reason we scored points today and had to overcome a lot of bad play from the talent around him.

 

This team was in massive trouble without Allen today. We reversed course from last week as far as needing Allen to win.

 

Case in point: Allen had 1 turnover while OTHER had 2 turnovers.

 

Buffalo was on the road and lost the turnover margin 3 to 0. How often do teams win on the road when losing the turnover margin by that much?

 

I was worried about this game immediately after that debacle last week and then even more after the Chargers fired Staley.

 

Allen (and Oliver) carried us on his (their) shoulders and nothing else matters.

[transplantbillsfan]

 

[julian]

18 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I know he needs to be aggressive for us to have any chance. Our skill players are not going to make big plays happen all their own. Just in games against bad offenses he can afford to play more reserved, that's all. Still I recognize he was the only reason we scored points today and had to overcome a lot of bad play from the talent around him.

Yeah I agree on the surrounding talent, hopefully Bean continues to make offense a priority.

 

 OCyrus and McGovern and Kincaid were a good start and they need to continue to add.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

It's just annoying because of how unnecessary it was. Allen has definitely crossed the line of reckless versus aggressive too many times this year. This is the kind of game where the last thing you want is to gift Easton Stick any kind of momentum... I don't mind the INT he had against the Eagles for example, it's a shootout against a Super Bowl caliber opponent and he had over 50 pass attempts. Having a dumb INT on 20 pass attempts against a bad opponent is just poor awareness of the game situation. There was just no need for a cross the body deep throw in this game against this opponent.

 

But then he totally redeemed himself by making several ridiculous throws on his clutch final drive to seal the game.

Diggs was wide open. Had his man beat badly. So I don’t mind the attempt. Execution has to be better though .What I have noticed is that he is missing his receivers short a lot this year whereas in years past he has often over thrown them. 

[BullBuchanan]

Allen still isn't anywhere near top 5 for MVP and he probably went back even further after his performance today. This thread was silly when it was started but each week it goes on approaches lunacy.

[JGMcD2]

21 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Diggs was wide open. Had his man beat badly. So I don’t mind the attempt. Execution has to be better though .What I have noticed is that he is missing his receivers short a lot this year whereas in years past he has often over thrown them. 

I mean that one was tough. He was rolling to his right and threw the ball back across his body to the other hash like 40-50 yards? 
 

Can anyone else even do that?

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

Allen still isn't anywhere near top 5 for MVP and he probably went back even further after his performance today. This thread was silly when it was started but each week it goes on approaches lunacy.

Sooo what happens when he finishes top 3? 

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said:

I mean that one was tough. He was rolling to his right and threw the ball back across his body to the other hash like 40-50 yards? 
 

Can anyone else even do that?

Sooo what happens when he finishes top 3? 

I guess he'll get to carry his runner-up to the runner-up MVP trophy at the Bills annual "at least we made the playoffs" parade in January.
 

[Aussie Joe]

7 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Allen still isn't anywhere near top 5 for MVP and he probably went back even further after his performance today. This thread was silly when it was started but each week it goes on approaches lunacy.

I think JA is the fourth  favourite now… Purdy overwhelming leader 

[Warcodered]

5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Allen still isn't anywhere near top 5 for MVP and he probably went back even further after his performance today. This thread was silly when it was started but each week it goes on approaches lunacy.

And this is why you're obviously nothing but a troll and no one should take anything you say seriously. Really when this thread started, it was after the Dolphins game, he was most likely the MVP favorite at the time. Just very low level effort this time, you can troll better.

[JGMcD2]

5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I guess he'll get to carry his runner-up to the runner-up MVP trophy at the Bills annual "at least we made the playoffs" parade in January.
 

Cool. We should probably just trade him honestly, he kind of sucks. 

[BullBuchanan]

39 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Cool. We should probably just trade him honestly, he kind of sucks. 

I guess the only two options for him in your mind is "Greatest player in the league" or "terrible".  I guess it isn't enough that he's a top 5 QB that makes incredible plays and plays incredible games while also having terrible plays that drag down his potential. Oh well. You'll have to keep on blaming the refs for why he doesn't wint he Super Bowl every year and a league-wide conspiracy for him not being crowned the first active player to be inducted into the Hall of Fame.

[JGMcD2]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

I guess the only two options for him in your mind is "Greatest player in the league" or "terrible".  I guess it isn't enough that he's a top 5 QB that makes incredible plays and plays incredible games while also having terrible plays that drag down his potential. Oh well. You'll have to keep on blaming the refs for why he doesn't wint he Super Bowl every year and a league-wide conspiracy for him not being crowned the first active player to be inducted into the Hall of Fame.

You’re the gift that keeps on giving. 

[BullBuchanan]

43 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

And this is why you're obviously nothing but a troll and no one should take anything you say seriously. Really when this thread started, it was after the Dolphins game, he was most likely the MVP favorite at the time. Just very low level effort this time, you can troll better.

Right. He was the leading mvp candidate back in Week 4 when he was a couple games removed from getting demolished by the Jets?

He definitely wasn't.

[Thurman#1]

"Narratives against him," that's classic. It'd be hard to find a clearer case of confirmation bias.

 

Up and down play is what's against him. We saw it again in L.A.

 

Still an absolutely excellent QB. Simply doesn't look like the MVP this year though.

3 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

You’re the gift that keeps on giving. 

 

 

He's giving you just what you asked for. 

 

He argues that he's really good but has some significantly poor plays also. You go right to "trade him." You're getting just exactly what your posts deserve.

Edited December 24, 2023 by Thurman#1

[Warcodered]

5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Right. He was the leading mvp candidate back in Week 4 when he was a couple games removed from getting demolished by the Jets?

He definitely wasn't.

 

On 10/4/2023 at 11:01 PM, transplantbillsfan said:

 

🤔

 

Like it wasn't even hard.

 

Seriously troll better. 

[BullBuchanan]

22 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

🤔

 

Like it wasn't even hard.

 

Seriously troll better. 

What wasn't hard? Finding a tweet that supported your opinion? *shocked*

You understand that prop betting odds aren't dictated solely by what is most likely to happen, right? What am I saying, of course you don't. You guys aren't even football fans, you're just Bills stans. You have a complete lack of respect for the immense amount of talent in this league and it's on full display here.

Purdy could spot Allen a full game and he still wouldn't catch him. He probably won't catch Dak either and he should be miles behind CMC.

 

 

 

 

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

 You guys aren't even football fans, you're just Bills stans.

I'm sure your team's fanbase is great, well I'm sure the rest are at least an improvement on their ambassador. 

[Buffalo Ballin]

If we manage to somehow win our division, our Josh Allen should be league MVP. No cap.

[dma0034]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

If we manage to somehow win our division, our Josh Allen should be league MVP. No cap.

 

I think if the Bills end up with the #2 seed then there will be a lot of talk about Allen being MVP. He's going to have 45 Total TDs which will lead the league. Only big obstacle is the TO narrative.

[UKBillFan]

Josh writes his narrative. Yesterday being a case in point. He is a rollercoaster this season in particular, the superb mixed with some dross. He won't win MVP because the TO start is against him; one which he has created.

 

McCaffrey or Hill should win it - as much as I like Purdy (more than most) a decent starting QB would be doing the same thing in that 49ers team. Take McCaffrey or Hill out of their respective teams and they look very different. And yes, to counter my first paragraph, the same goes for the Bills for Josh. He is the reason they are 9-6 this year, and not something like 4-11. But could also be argued he's the reason they're not 12-3 too.