2023 MVP: Lamar will win it with 15 fewer TDs than Josh Allen (end of season talk pg 75+)

[Dr.Sack]

Mahomes will get MVP because he gets 2 PDI/PI calls per game to erase drive ending poor throws or picks. Allen doesn’t get that level of calls. Even Mayfield got two calls on his 2nd last drive. The one on Taron Johnson being BS and the face mask on Phillips being less egregious but borderline. Imagine if 1/2 of Allen’s 8 picks were erased due to  phantom DPI/PI calls. That is what Mahomes enjoys every week. Allen is at best MVP 2, or 3. He will never be MVP 1.

[Buffalo Ballin]

What else does he need to do??? That's complacency for ya.

 

He needs to keep leading this team to victories.

Stop throwing interceptions.

Run in for more touchdowns.

Throw more touchdowns.

 

Just keep going.

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Mahomes will get MVP because he gets 2 PDI/PI calls per game to erase drive ending poor throws or picks. Allen doesn’t get that level of calls. Even Mayfield got two calls on his 2nd last drive. The one on Taron Johnson being BS and the face mask on Phillips being less egregious but borderline. Imagine if 1/2 of Allen’s 8 picks were erased due to  phantom DPI/PI calls. That is what Mahomes enjoys every week. Allen is at best MVP 2, or 3. He will never be MVP 1.

 

The two penalties on the last drive were both fouls IMO. Just piss poor execution by players who should know better.

[Dr.Sack]

27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The two penalties on the last drive were both fouls IMO. Just piss poor execution by players who should know better.

But that is my point. Mahomes always gets those calls. It erases bad plays and gives him fresh set of downs. Do you not notice? 

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

But that is my point. Mahomes always gets those calls. It erases bad plays and gives him fresh set of downs. Do you not notice? 

 

He gets some calls. The big name QBs tend to. Josh gets more roughing the passer calls than I think he is due because he has mastered the flop. 

[WotAGuy]

On 10/27/2023 at 12:06 AM, DapperCam said:

We’ll see what happens when Kelce retires. He’s already slowing down. He isn’t a player that can be replaced.

Come on. Anyone can put up Kelce’s numbers when they are not covered. Kelce must wear a “cloak of invisibility” or something. He runs around defenders like they are pylons. 

[The Wiz]

8 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Weakest division in football. 

Nfc South would like to throw their hat in the ring.

[Big Blitz]

If Mike White played QB for Miami they would have the exact same record.  
 

KC would be a 2-3 win team minimum.   
 

 

The Bills without Josh might be 1-6.  2-5 at best.     

[Billl]

8 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Mahomes will get MVP because he gets 2 PDI/PI calls per game to erase drive ending poor throws or picks. Allen doesn’t get that level of calls. Even Mayfield got two calls on his 2nd last drive. The one on Taron Johnson being BS and the face mask on Phillips being less egregious but borderline. Imagine if 1/2 of Allen’s 8 picks were erased due to  phantom DPI/PI calls. That is what Mahomes enjoys every week. Allen is at best MVP 2, or 3. He will never be MVP 1.

Mahomes won MVP last year and the Chiefs received the fewest pass interference calls in the entire league with 3 while being penalized for it the most times with 15.  

[FireChans]

11 hours ago, julian said:

Burrow gets a pass when he’s bad while playing injured and Allen not only doesn’t get credit for playing great last 2 seasons while injured, the media rarely acknowledges he’s playing hurt.

 

 Crazy stuff.

Honestly? Did you watch the games Burrow played when hurt?

 

How is Burrow getting a pass? He’s sucked when hurt. Media folks were saying sit him because he’s basically unplayable. 

 

also, what are Burrows MVP odds, currently? Worse than Jared Goff, Brock Purdy, Trevor Lawrence and CMC? Is that a “pass?”

 

The conflation of arguments here is hilarious. Burrow gets a “pass,” which means being basically out of contention of the MVP award by the season halfway point? Josh didn’t get a “pass” by being near the top of the NFL in MVP voting while playing through his UCL?

 

PICK ONE. 

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

If Mike White played QB for Miami they would have the exact same record.  
 

KC would be a 2-3 win team minimum.   
 

 

The Bills without Josh might be 1-6.  2-5 at best.     

Something called a Tyler Bagent blew out the Raiders. And the Bills defense shut out the Commanders, until the saddest FG of the season. 
 

Would we have a better record with Mahomes is the real question? I have to say yes. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

9 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Mahomes will get MVP because he gets 2 PDI/PI calls per game to erase drive ending poor throws or picks. Allen doesn’t get that level of calls. Even Mayfield got two calls on his 2nd last drive. The one on Taron Johnson being BS and the face mask on Phillips being less egregious but borderline. Imagine if 1/2 of Allen’s 8 picks were erased due to  phantom DPI/PI calls. That is what Mahomes enjoys every week. Allen is at best MVP 2, or 3. He will never be MVP 1.

That call on phillips was correct but it was so corny lol. If the bucs didn’t get that call I don’t think anyone would’ve complained.  Light, inconsequential facemask debatably after the play should’ve been blown dead.  If they were calling things that tight all game there would be a penalty every play 

if our offensive line builds on the bucs game I think josh has a chance at mvp.  The chiefs offense doesn’t look as sharp as it has in the past but their defense has stepped it up 

Edited October 28, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Low Positive]

10 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Honestly? Did you watch the games Burrow played when hurt?

 

How is Burrow getting a pass? He’s sucked when hurt. Media folks were saying sit him because he’s basically unplayable. 

 

also, what are Burrows MVP odds, currently? Worse than Jared Goff, Brock Purdy, Trevor Lawrence and CMC? Is that a “pass?”

 

The conflation of arguments here is hilarious. Burrow gets a “pass,” which means being basically out of contention of the MVP award by the season halfway point? Josh didn’t get a “pass” by being near the top of the NFL in MVP voting while playing through his UCL?

 

PICK ONE. 

Something called a Tyler Bagent blew out the Raiders. And the Bills defense shut out the Commanders, until the saddest FG of the season. 
 

Would we have a better record with Mahomes is the real question? I have to say yes. 

Burrow played bad last week and he was moving around just fine. He had two good drives and then basically took a nap for the rest of the game. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, FrenchConnection said:

Burrow played bad last week and he was moving around just fine. He had two good drives and then basically took a nap for the rest of the game. 

The burrow injury seems like mostly a baseless excuse to me this year from what I’ve seen.  The games the bengals have looked bad the entire offense got absolutely dominated. 

[finn]

38 minutes ago, Billl said:

Mahomes won MVP last year and the Chiefs received the fewest pass interference calls in the entire league with 3 while being penalized for it the most times with 15.  

Don't let facts get in the way of conviction!

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Honestly? Did you watch the games Burrow played when hurt?

 

How is Burrow getting a pass? He’s sucked when hurt. Media folks were saying sit him because he’s basically unplayable. 

 

also, what are Burrows MVP odds, currently? Worse than Jared Goff, Brock Purdy, Trevor Lawrence and CMC? Is that a “pass?”

 

The conflation of arguments here is hilarious. Burrow gets a “pass,” which means being basically out of contention of the MVP award by the season halfway point? Josh didn’t get a “pass” by being near the top of the NFL in MVP voting while playing through his UCL?

 

PICK ONE. 

Something called a Tyler Bagent blew out the Raiders. And the Bills defense shut out the Commanders, until the saddest FG of the season. 
 

Would we have a better record with Mahomes is the real question? I have to say yes. 

I wish I could visit the alternate reality where mahomes and Allen switched teams just to see what the results would be lol comparing guys on two different teams is pretty much impossible.   Mahomes looks just as bad when his offensive line isn’t playing well, that’s just a less frequent occurrence in kc.  Some of it is on josh not throwing it hot at times but you could definitely say the same for mahomes. 

 

In the old days where guys weren’t getting much separation and the offensive line wasn’t playing well josh would have an epically horrible game and it was undoubtedly clear he was a tier below mahomes.  Now it’s a little murkier 

[balln]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He gets some calls. The big name QBs tend to. Josh gets more roughing the passer calls than I think he is due because he has mastered the flop. 

There was a stat. A year or two ago. Allen was like bottom of the league. At top was mahommes Rogers and Brady. 
 

qbs that got DPi, holding or illegal contact flags per game 

[Warcodered]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He gets some calls. The big name QBs tend to. Josh gets more roughing the passer calls than I think he is due because he has mastered the flop. 

Eh, Josh has gotten some roughing calls that have bugged people recently, but really they've just been some poor defender decision technical fouls. You can not like the roughing rule and think it's too soft and hard on defenders, but there are some clear rules in it and they kept running in to it.

[Gene Frenkle]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

Mahomes won MVP last year and the Chiefs received the fewest pass interference calls in the entire league with 3 while being penalized for it the most times with 15.  

 

I call shenanigans on your incomplete stats!

 

Mahomes (beneficiary):

DPI: 3 (t-30)

Def Holding: 16 (1) (4 more than #2)

Illegal Contact: 3 (t-9)

Roughing Passer: 3 (t-10)

 

Allen (beneficiary):

DPI: 8 (t-10)

Def Holding: 5 (t-21)

Illegal Contact: 1 (t-20)

Roughing Passer: 3 (t-10)

 

KC (against):

DPI: 15 (1) (3 more than #2)

Def Holding: 4 (t-28)

Illegal Contact: 1 (t-19)

Roughing Passer: 3 (t-15)

 

BUF (against):

DPI: 8 (t-9)

Def Holding: 11 (t-2)

Illegal Contact: 1 (t-19)

Roughing Passer: 2 (t-21)

 

Totals:

Mahomes: 25

Allen: 17

KC: 23

BUF: 22

 

And honestly, calls against the defense have little to do with how much the refs are biased in favor of a particular passer. Mahomes is getting calls to keep drives alive. 25 to Josh's 17 last year.

[GunnerBill]

37 minutes ago, balln said:

There was a stat. A year or two ago. Allen was like bottom of the league. At top was mahommes Rogers and Brady. 
 

qbs that got DPi, holding or illegal contact flags per game 

 

I was speaking specifically on RTP for Josh. He gets more than his share of those.

30 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Eh, Josh has gotten some roughing calls that have bugged people recently, but really they've just been some poor defender decision technical fouls. You can not like the roughing rule and think it's too soft and hard on defenders, but there are some clear rules in it and they kept running in to it.

 

I think Josh has got a couple that even under the current rules are not flags. 

[julian]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Honestly? Did you watch the games Burrow played when hurt?

 

How is Burrow getting a pass? He’s sucked when hurt. Media folks were saying sit him because he’s basically unplayable. 

 

also, what are Burrows MVP odds, currently? Worse than Jared Goff, Brock Purdy, Trevor Lawrence and CMC? Is that a “pass?”

 

The conflation of arguments here is hilarious. Burrow gets a “pass,” which means being basically out of contention of the MVP award by the season halfway point? Josh didn’t get a “pass” by being near the top of the NFL in MVP voting while playing through his UCL?

 

PICK ONE. 

Something called a Tyler Bagent blew out the Raiders. And the Bills defense shut out the Commanders, until the saddest FG of the season. 
 

Would we have a better record with Mahomes is the real question? I have to say yes. 

Whoa !! Lol.. I was referring more to the media, not the Vegas odds and more about the lack of injury talk around Allen’s play not so much Burrow.

 

 Allen plays hurt and is still among the MVP leaders because he’s that dude.

 

Burrow simply isn’t built like that.