2023 MVP: Lamar will win it with 15 fewer TDs than Josh Allen (end of season talk pg 75+)

[RiotAct]

3 minutes ago, Franco_92 said:

I was SCREAMING at Diggs to go down lmao. He was churning with one arm on the ball and Tampa was swinging.

I have accepted the fact that there won't be an AFCCG played outside of Arrowhead for a looooong, long time.

they’re bound to have a down year.  At some point. Maybe.

[DapperCam]

3 minutes ago, Franco_92 said:

I was SCREAMING at Diggs to go down lmao. He was churning with one arm on the ball and Tampa was swinging.

I have accepted the fact that there won't be an AFCCG played outside of Arrowhead for a looooong, long time.

We’ll see what happens when Kelce retires. He’s already slowing down. He isn’t a player that can be replaced.

[Franco_92]

3 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

they’re bound to have a down year.  At some point. Maybe.

 

2 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

We’ll see what happens when Kelce retires. He’s already slowing down. He isn’t a player that can be replaced.

If you assume otherwise, it hurts less when it works out as expected, and is a nice treat if these things ever do actually happen

[transplantbillsfan]

17 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I mean I get that he has been leading this, and more than likely will continue to lead this barring something ridiculous, but he does have an extra game on everyone but Baker right now.

 

Who's about to get 7+ TDs in a game?

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Who's about to get 7+ TDs in a game?

What do you think barring something ridiculous meant?

[transplantbillsfan]

Just now, Warcodered said:

What do you think barring something ridiculous 

 

That's fine. Just seemed like a weirdly skeptical post when he has 6 more TDs than #2.

 

I guess we should watch out for Cousins 

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

That's fine. Just seemed like a weirdly skeptical post when he has 6 more TDs than #2.

 

I guess we should watch out for Cousins 

The point I was making was that the tweet was talking about how far ahead he was from everyone else, and while yes he's going to still be in the lead, barring the ridiculous and unlikely event, the gap wouldn't be that large if he didn't have an extra game on everyone. That's all I was saying.

[HappyDays]

 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Josh can knock Tampa Bay off his list now.

 

who’s left- Arizona and Philly?  Indy regular season?

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

9 hours ago, DapperCam said:

Allen could have put up 350+ and another TD if Dorsey/McDermott didn’t get so conservative with the play calling.

 

But he isn’t going to win MVP, because the Bills aren’t going to have the #1 seed. Mahomes will have similar stats, and KC will be the #1 seed. He’s going to get it.

 

A few weeks ago I thought Mahomes was out of the running. Now he is the favorite was again. It still looks like his stats will not be blowing anyone out of the water. Heck, he might only have the 3rd best stats of all the QB's by season end. But the Chiefs do appear to have the inside track at the one seed in the AFC and that has always been the biggest deciding factor. 

 

Tua is still listed with the second best odds but I just can't buy into him as MVP at all. Zero chance Miami finishes as the one seed, and we are already starting to see the Dolphins offense slide. They still have some tough matchups ahead too. 

 

I still like McCaffery a lot to win it. This week's game will be big for him. Get another TD or two in a win against the Bengals without Brock Purdy and he will cement his case even more. And RB is one of the positions where you can win it with good enough stats without necessarily having the best record in your conference. In fact, I believe that is how we got our most recent non QB MVP some 10+ years ago when AP won it. 

 

Right now Allen has a sizeable TD advantage on all the QB's. To win I think Allen needs to go over 40 total TD's with no other QB's reaching that mark, finish the season leading the league in completion percentage and win the division. 

[HappyDays]

 

[The Wiz]

 

[BRH]

11 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

 

 

This can't be right.  I was told he looked lost and disinterested.

[BuffaloRebound]

20 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

 

Be more like Josh.  Coach with the swagger you should because #17 is on your side.  No more turtle coaching at end of games.  

[Franco_92]

I'm starting to get upset at Josh's interceptions. Not because he is throwing them, but because there are only like 4 legitimate picks in the stack of 8. 2 wonky deflections and 2 3rd and 20 arm punts that should have been caught or knocked down by Diggs and Davis. 8 is a big number for 8 games and it should be 4 or 5 with any luck on his part. 

[PrimeTime101]

On 10/23/2023 at 12:13 AM, transplantbillsfan said:

I think Josh's shoulder was a bigger problem than he let on. He missed several passes he's normally money on... particularly those ones he escapes the pocket and rolls right. I hope we can scrape out a win on Thursday and he can use this extended 11 day mini bye to get healthier. Happy we have the bye late in the season just before the Chiefs. 

 

Hey guys... watch the rest of the QBs in the NFL. None are dominating. All are inconsistent. Mahomes included.

 

Allen still...

#1 in total TDs 

#3 in Completion %

#6 in Passing Yards 

#5 in Passer Rating 

 

Oh yeah... and he's gone 6 straight games without fumbling the football. Not losing a fumble... fumbling period. Throughout the span of the rest of his career he's never had more than 3 straight games without fumbling.

 

I think this title is misleading because Josh Allen is Not Crushing the MVP race right now.. I think there are some things he did well last game but crushing the MVP race? misleading. 

[HappyDays]

45 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

 

 

Some of the narratives on here about Josh have been absolutely insane. Never seen anything like it from any other fanbase.

[The Wiz]

4 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I think this title is misleading because Josh Allen is Not Crushing the MVP race right now.. I think there are some things he did well last game but crushing the MVP race? misleading. 

I think the title is just misleading because you are reading it as he is crushing the MVP race.  The topic is the MVP Race and then the fact that Allen is crushing "it"(just him playing really well) is a separate comment.

Edited October 27, 2023 by The Wiz

[Alphadawg7]

I know this thread is dedicated to the MVP race, but the reality of the situation is Josh Allen isn't really in it right now.  Technically he is, but not really.  With embarrassing losses to both Zack Wilson and Mac Jones, and a near loss where we only scored 14 points against a 1 win Giants team starting a QB who hasn't played meaningful football in years is going to leave a long bad taste in the mouths of the voters.  Add in now the narrative even after this win is that we only won because Godwin didn't see the hail mary (and there is some truth to that) and you have got a team that is 2-2 in the last 4 during the easiest part of its schedule, and both wins a case can be made more that the other team lost it more than we won it and we got lucky.  Whether or not that is true or fair doesn't matter, that is the narrative.

 

So right now, Allen and the Bills are probably going to have to win out or lose no more than 1 more game and definitely at least win the division for Allen to have any real consideration.  He will have to do a lot more than Mahomes to overcome him, who is the definitive leader for MVP right now.  

 

And that is the issue with Allen...while everyone always is willing to acknowledge him as a major MVP candidate, he also is someone the media and everyone seem to hold to a higher standard of near perfection or they tear him down.  He is grossly outplaying Burrow right now and yet Burrow doesn't get nearly the same criticism to the level Allen does for example.  

 

It will be tough for Allen to win an MVP unless he really definitively beats everyone else out because he is not going to get the votes in a close race.  And the thing working in Josh's favor to help him do that is also working against him and this team...and that is the toughness of our remaining schedule which is rough and the defensive injuries.  Given the difficulty of the remaining games and the added difficulty with our defensive injuries, if Allen and Bills run the table or lose maybe just 1 close game and still win the division, then that could help propel Josh back into legit consideration.  But that won't be easy as we have seen against lesser competition already.

[Big Turk]