2023 MVP: Lamar will win it with 15 fewer TDs than Josh Allen (end of season talk pg 75+)

[DapperCam]

10 minutes ago, julian said:

The reason the Bills run Allen inside the redzone is because he’s the greatest redzone threat in the NFL, every time the Bills hand it off down there it’s a win for the opposing team.

 

 Every other QB in the NFL isn’t the best option for their team down in the redzone where it’s tight and congested because those QBs aren’t 6’5 250lbs with wheels.

Lamar Jackson is way lighter than Allen and not nearly as good at running in the red zone. He just got stuffed from the 1 yard line this past week, where Allen definitely would have scored.

 

There is a reason the Ravens run with RBs down there. I don’t get the “vultured TD” argument.

[julian]

32 minutes ago, Punch said:

Naturally, so why would it be a negative for his candidacy? That's what's being argued. 

Yeah it’s an absurd argument, I’m guessing they have to try and explain away why Lamar deserves it over Josh who will end up with close to 20 more TDs than Lamar.

 

 It’s a lame argument.

[JGMcD2]

11 hours ago, dma0034 said:

Does anyone know how many 1 yard TDs Allen has? 

The Bills have 20 rushing TDs. 

 

Murray has scored from 2, 3, 2 and 4. 
 

James Cook from 1 and 24.

 

Damien Harris from 1. 

 

Josh is from: 

1 (3x)

2 (2x)

3 

6 (2x)

9

10

11

13

16

 

He’s not benefiting from the Jalen Hurts tush push (11/15 TDs from 1 or less). 
 

[JESSEFEFFER]

Ok.  I haven't thought I could add much to this discussion other than there is no other QB I'd rather have for the Bills than Josh.  This is true in most every way conceivable.  He has exceeded all reasonable expectations in almost every way possible.  But, I was doing some self educating and found the NFelo website and took this snip.  I tell my kids that math is beautiful because it is the basis of science and science is the best hope of humanity.  So, I rest my case.

[Ya Digg?]

3 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

Ok.  I haven't thought I could add much to this discussion other than there is no other QB I'd rather have for the Bills than Josh.  This is true in most every way conceivable.  He has exceeded all reasonable expectations in almost every way possible.  But, I was doing some self educating and found the NFelo website and took this snip.  I tell my kids that math is beautiful because it is the basis of science and science is the best hope of humanity.  So, I rest my case.

So obviously I know what this all means, but maybe you should break it down for, uh, the other posters who, like, don’t get this….because again obviously I do

[dma0034]

18 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

So obviously I know what this all means, but maybe you should break it down for, uh, the other posters who, like, don’t get this….because again obviously I do

 

It's kinda like WAR in baseball. Vs the average starter Allen nets 3.9 points more per game. Which is .8 more than Hurts in 2nd place.

[JGMcD2]

31 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

Ok.  I haven't thought I could add much to this discussion other than there is no other QB I'd rather have for the Bills than Josh.  This is true in most every way conceivable.  He has exceeded all reasonable expectations in almost every way possible.  But, I was doing some self educating and found the NFelo website and took this snip.  I tell my kids that math is beautiful because it is the basis of science and science is the best hope of humanity.  So, I rest my case.

[JESSEFEFFER]

22 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

So obviously I know what this all means, but maybe you should break it down for, uh, the other posters who, like, don’t get this….because again obviously I do

I think the purpose of this site is to look for meaningful and predictive tools at determining point spreads and looks for value vs. the "Vegas" number.  This says that Josh is the most valuable point spread QB (MVPS.)   I like many of the other things at the website.  It has the Bills at #2

5 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

That is a classic.  It should be mentioned by Josh's presenter at his Hall-of-Fame ceremony.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

 

Rayne Prescott? Learn something new every day. 

[dma0034]

13 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Rayne Prescott? Learn something new every day. 

 

I only found out about 2 weeks ago myself. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

The passing game has been quite pedestrian for a while now.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

What the hell is wrong with Josh Allen today?

 

He shouldn't even be in the conversation of MVP playing like the first half he played today. There's something wrong with that boy you can see it in his face.

Edited December 31, 2023 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[Andrew Son]

2 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

What the hell is wrong with Josh Allen today?

 

He shouldn't even be in the conversation of MVP playing like the first half he played today. There's something wrong with that boy you can see it in his face.

This appears to be Josh Allen.  Far too many WTF performances mixed in with excellence.   Today is another level of terrible though

Edited December 31, 2023 by SWATeam

[LABILLBACKER]

Just now, SWATeam said:

This appears to be Josh Allen.  Far to many WTF performances mixed in with excellence.   Today is another level of terrible though

Win or lose, any chance at an mvp ended today.  He looks lost.

[BigDingus]

2 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

What the hell is wrong with Josh Allen today?

 

He shouldn't even be in the conversation of MVP playing like the first half he played today. There's something wrong with that boy you can see it in his face.

 

It's his usual crumble in the big moment type of stuff... 

 

6 years in the league, and he still makes some of the worst decisions I've ever seen. We can talk about how talented he is all we want, but we can't manifest him into being a player he's not.

 

There's a reason he can't string together 2 straight games without an INT, and it's painful to watch.

[Ray Stonada]

Josh just played one of his worst career halves.

 

Meanwhile Lamar in the first half against Miami: 12 of 14 for 255 yards, 3 TDs 0 picks

[stevestojan]

I’m watching both games. Lamar is on another planet. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

You can look at him and see it in his face he looks lost. Doesn't even look like he's into the game. And this is coming from a quarterback that needs to win the game to go forward and get into the playoffs. I see no sense of urgency at all in him today. And it's a goddamn shame.

Edited December 31, 2023 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[Ray Stonada]

I seriously wonder if he was out late last night

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said:

Josh just played one of his worst career halves.

 

Meanwhile Lamar in the first half against Miami: 12 of 14 for 255 yards, 3 TDs 0 picks

 

Yea. It is over unless Lamar screws up the 2nd half.