Dolphins @ Bills Postgame thread

[Virgil]

  On 10/2/2023 at 1:47 AM, GaryPinC said:

Well, it was two years ago the Pegulas and McD were talking Frazier up as a head coach candidate so they tried!

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They wanted that 3rd round pick 

[DrDawkinstein]

  On 10/2/2023 at 2:23 AM, Virgil said:

They wanted that 3rd round pick 

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Still do and that's why he isnt officially fired.

[HoofHearted]

  On 10/1/2023 at 9:07 PM, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Their offense is gimmicky.

 

Disrupt the timing, no answers 

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It's not a gimmicky offense at all and saying so kind of down plays how well we were able to play it. Everything the Dolphins do is designed to get defensive players eyes in the wrong spots and create numerical advantages through movement. This much motion is the future of offensive football.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

  On 10/2/2023 at 2:32 AM, HoofHearted said:

It's not a gimmicky offense at all and saying so kind of down plays how well we were able to play it. Everything the Dolphins do is designed to get defensive players eyes in the wrong spots and create numerical advantages through movement. This much motion is the future of offensive football.

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It's literally a one read offense. That's the definition of gimmicky.

 

Take away the first read it's over for tua 

[DrDawkinstein]

The only thing that sucks right now is that I have to wait 9 more hours for the football/Bills coverage to start.

[HoofHearted]

  On 10/2/2023 at 2:33 AM, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

It's literally a one read offense. That's the definition of gimmicky.

 

Take away the first read it's over for tua 

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It's not, but if that's what helps you sleep at night... sure.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

  On 10/2/2023 at 2:34 AM, HoofHearted said:

It's not, but if that's what helps you sleep at night... sure.

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Don't believe me? Listen to an actual dolphin fanatic

 

 

 

[Bruffalo]

  On 10/2/2023 at 2:33 AM, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

It's literally a one read offense. That's the definition of gimmicky.

 

Take away the first read it's over for tua 

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Kind of, so much of it relies on Tua's pre-snap reads on the defense.  McD just happens to be the best in the biz at disguising coverage. 

[HoofHearted]

  On 10/2/2023 at 2:36 AM, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Don't believe me? Listen to an actual dolphin fanatic

 

 

 

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Oh good, I'll listen to some other fan who doesn't know squat about football lol. Does Miami run a ton of full field reads? No. Neither does the majority of the NFL. Welcome to the modern passing game my man. Half field reads - reading single defenders who you're scheming to put into conflict so they can't be right regardless of where they go. Which makes what we were able to do all that more impressive.

 

EDIT: By the way I lost interest when buddy said we switched to playing almost exclusively man coverage in the middle of the 2nd Quarter lol.

Edited October 2, 2023 by HoofHearted

[Ralonzo]

  On 10/2/2023 at 2:20 AM, Nephilim17 said:

Squishing fish is our business... and business is good.

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It was a symphony of destruction.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

  On 10/2/2023 at 2:32 AM, HoofHearted said:

It's not a gimmicky offense at all and saying so kind of down plays how well we were able to play it. Everything the Dolphins do is designed to get defensive players eyes in the wrong spots and create numerical advantages through movement. This much motion is the future of offensive football.

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I think we are the first team that wised up to using the motion to help us jump the snap count for whatever reason.  the DL was all over the throwing lanes right off the snap like they were getting shot out of cannons. There seems to be a disadvantage to the way the dolphins use motion that wasn’t really capitalized on until this week.  

Edited October 2, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Chandler#81]

Shoutout to Daquan Jones, Ed Oliver, Micah Hyde, O’Cyrus Torrence and Dawson Knox for unheralded yet necessary contributions to the win.

[Virgil]

  On 10/2/2023 at 2:30 AM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Still do and that's why he isnt officially fired.

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Is that true?

[HoofHearted]

  On 10/2/2023 at 2:51 AM, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I think we are the first team that wised up to using the motion to help us jump the snap count for whatever reason.  the DL was all over the throwing lanes right off the snap. There seems to be a disadvantage to the way the dolphins use motion that wasn’t really capitalized on until this week.  

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DL wouldn't be able to see it. All the short motion outside is completely out of their view. It's possible an off-ball rusher could time those, but it turns into the same type of situation with the New England FG block that everyone was enamored with - as long as there is variation in it offensively it's not something you can time up.

[BillsFan130]

  On 10/2/2023 at 2:34 AM, HoofHearted said:

It's not, but if that's what helps you sleep at night... sure.

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I’m with you that it’s not a gimmick offence as Miami will cause problems all season.

 

But Miami is a timing based offence and Tua is an 80 percent first read thrower.

 

It seemed like the bills caused a lot of issues disrupting that first read which caused problems for Tua

 

Do you think teams can replicate that? 

[Warcodered]

  On 10/2/2023 at 2:36 AM, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Don't believe me? Listen to an actual dolphin fanatic

 

 

 

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He does seem to just have a blind hatred for zone defense.

[DrDawkinstein]

  On 10/2/2023 at 2:53 AM, Virgil said:

Is that true?

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Probably not the whole reason, but it's a thing. Personally, I think he's done coaching. But if an opportunity presents itself and he does come back, we have his rights.

[Special K]

  On 10/2/2023 at 2:52 AM, Chandler#81 said:

Shoutout to Daquan Jones, Ed Oliver, Micah Hyde, O’Cyrus Torrence and Dawson Knox for unheralded yet necessary contributions to the win.

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Wilkins was noticeably quiet thanks to the rookie!!

 

He’s a future All Pro in the making!

 

 

[HoofHearted]

  On 10/2/2023 at 3:00 AM, BillsFan130 said:

I’m with you that it’s not a gimmick offence as Miami will cause problems all season.

 

But Miami is a timing based offence and Tua is an 80 percent first read thrower.

 

It seemed like the bills caused a lot of issues disrupting that first read which caused problems for Tua

 

Do you think teams can replicate that? 

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All offenses are timing based to one degree or another. Miami is a half field read team. They design concepts that read at most two defenders, and create movement that pulls players out of position (i.e. Milano getting thrown over on the Y pop early in the game). They do a really good job at creating numerical advantages with their motions as well as putting your force defender in conflict. Add all this to the fact that they make their money on attacking conflict defenders - of course he's an 80% first read thrower - it's a product of the play design. That is what offensive coordinators strive for - their first read to be open every time lol. To call that a gimmick is amusing - it's just well designed and executed play calling.

 

The Bills did a really good job of mixing up coverages and switching off who the force defender was. That's what led to the muddied reads.

[Bills!Win!]

So since Miami scored 70 against Denver, and we beat miami 48-20, does that mean when we play Denver on Monday night in November we will score 98 points? 

Edited October 2, 2023 by Bills!Win!