John from Riverside Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 40 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: I’m talking about when everyone compromises, the little guy tends to get screwed in favor of big corporate donors… I don’t know who will come out on top for the Republican speaker, but it is nice to see some people standing up to the big donor politicians, to protect our borders, reign in spending, etc… Its refreshing to see that there are still people who won’t just bend over to the elites…👍 So, in your opinion, government shut down would help the elites Because that’s where we’re headed with the Republicans
ChiGoose Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 33 minutes ago, Pokebball said: You mean party partisanship. I wish there were a dozen common sense, do what's good for the country, on both sides. The House would work so much better. The partisanship ruined the House decades ago. The Dems following Gaetz is simply the latest proof of dysfunction. That is what our electoral system has incentivizes. If you want to fix the result, you need to fix the actual cause of the problem and reform how we do elections.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: So nothing, you are just a bull shitter Congrats, that's deep It’s your rule bruh, if you choose to dial up or down the outrage based on the party involved, that’s your call. 2
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 3 hours ago, ChiGoose said: It's weird because traditionally the Dems have been the party of trying to herd cats while the GOP has been much better at voting as a solid bloc. That seems to have flipped in recent years. I think a large part of what's keeping the House GOP caucus in disarray is that they feel beholden to the MAGA wing. We saw this when dozens of them voted against Jim Jordan in a secret ballot after having voted for him on a public ballot. There is no platform, no goals, no ideals. Just a requirement to be completely owned by MAGA. That makes compromise within the party difficult and compromising across the aisle verboten. It would be foolish to reach across the aisle to the political enemy for all accept those in districts that waffle between red and blue. The status quo of today’s political debate is that other side is trying to destroy America. Both sides claim you can’t trust the outcome of elections, that illegitimacy abounds, and that most assuredly @#$#s with confidence people have in government. It’s an age-old strategy, it tends to work reasonably well until the mood changes. For now, it just is where we’re at. 1
Warcodered Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Look what compromising on the immigration has done for inner city black and brown people of this country…it certainly hasn’t helped… The complete and lack of compromise seemingly leaves this issue in continual purgatory, they never do ***** about it on either side. 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Look how compromising with their insurance donors has kept Medicare for all away from the people… This is absolutely true, talk about having no balls and just going half way and tripping over your own feet.
Andy1 Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 This disfunction junction is what happens when a party abandons all principle and purpose and becomes a personality cult. They can’t even agree on a platform for what they believe in. They don’t know what they believe in, they don’t know what they want as a party. The Trumpers are afraid of choosing the wrong person who would upset the orange king. The moderates are finally standing up against the radicals. Dems and Pelosi had the same margin of majority and still managed to function fine. At this point they might as well renominate McCarthy. What a mess.
ChiGoose Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Pokebball said: You mean party partisanship. I wish there were a dozen common sense, do what's good for the country, on both sides. The House would work so much better. The partisanship ruined the House decades ago. The Dems following Gaetz is simply the latest proof of dysfunction. 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: It would be foolish to reach across the aisle to the political enemy for all accept those in districts that waffle between red and blue. The status quo of today’s political debate is that other side is trying to destroy America. Both sides claim you can’t trust the outcome of elections, that illegitimacy abounds, and that most assuredly @#$#s with confidence people have in government. It’s an age-old strategy, it tends to work reasonably well until the mood changes. For now, it just is where we’re at. This is what First Past The Post electoral systems always devolve to. It's just much worse in our current social media / technology environment. The only thing that has a chance at breaking the mold is rethinking how we do elections to empower the voters and incentivize cooperation, not polarization.
B-Man Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 House Republicans pick Rep. Mike Johnson as their fourth speaker nominee https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/24/house-speaker-vote/ 1
John from Riverside Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 59 minutes ago, B-Man said: House Republicans pick Rep. Mike Johnson as their fourth speaker nominee https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/24/house-speaker-vote/ Is he just not ***** up enough to actually win it there’s work to be done
Doc Brown Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 7 hours ago, JaCrispy said: It’s not really discipline when Dems, being the minority, had nothing to lose with their vote for Jeffries….anybody can do that… Discipline is knowing your vote might put you in the minority, but you stick to your principles- unlike people like the Squad, who ran on challenging the Dems, but fell in line out of fear…👍 No. That's more courage than discipline. The people that put the squad in their place practiced party discipline. However, the Republicans that ousted McCarthy weren't courageous at all as he was the most conservative speaker since Gingrich. They now get more attention now and fundraising money because they can claim they're anti establishment (whatever that is nowadays) in exchange for hurting the GOP's optimistic outlook for 2024. They're selfishness could potentially be disastrous for the country. Gaetz and those Republicans that voted with him are clowns.
Tiberius Posted October 25, 2023 Author Posted October 25, 2023 10 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: It’s your rule bruh, if you choose to dial up or down the outrage based on the party involved, that’s your call. More BS, 👏 Deep man
Tiberius Posted October 25, 2023 Author Posted October 25, 2023 The Cult https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/24/i-killed-him-how-trump-torpedoed-tom-emmers-speaker-bid-00123329Just hours after Rep. Tom Emmer (R-Minn.) won the Republican Conference’s nomination to be House speaker on Tuesday, former President Donald Trump took to Truth Social to deride the congressman as “totally out-of-touch with Republican Voters” and a “Globalist RINO.” He then got on the phone with members to express his aversion for Emmer and his bid for speaker. By Tuesday afternoon Trump called one person close to him with the message, “He’s done. It’s over. I killed him.” Just minutes later, Emmer officially dropped out of the race.
TH3 Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, JaCrispy said: I’m talking about when everyone compromises, the little guy tends to get screwed in favor of big corporate donors… I don’t know who will come out on top for the Republican speaker, but it is nice to see some people standing up to the big donor politicians, to protect our borders, reign in spending, etc… Its refreshing to see that there are still people who won’t just bend over to the elites…👍 Its laughable that you think the GOP is going to do what you suggest above. AFA as both "protecting our borders" and 'reighning in spending" - neither of these will be substanively dealt with without legislation. This means a bipartison effort. The MAGA GOP has made it clear this will not happen. So much for the little guy. Big Corporate Donors? You can thank Scalia for scuttling any control of that under the guise of "textulism" - The cruel joke is that the GOP got the "little guy" to buy in that this was good for him. Bravo Edited October 25, 2023 by TH3 1
Doc Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, TH3 said: Its laughable that you think the GOP is going to do what you suggest above. AFA as both "protecting our borders" and 'reighning in spending" - neither of these will be substanively dealt with without legislation. This means a bipartison effort. The MAGA GOP has made it clear this will not happen. So much for the little guy. Big Corporate Donors? You can thank Scalia for scuttling any control of that under the guise of "textulism" - The cruel joke is that the GOP got the "little guy" to buy in that this was good for him. Bravo Yeah, it's the MAGA GOP that will prevent securing the border. Good one.
JaCrispy Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, TH3 said: Its laughable that you think the GOP is going to do what you suggest above. AFA as both "protecting our borders" and 'reighning in spending" - neither of these will be substanively dealt with without legislation. This means a bipartison effort. The MAGA GOP has made it clear this will not happen. So much for the little guy. Big Corporate Donors? You can thank Scalia for scuttling any control of that under the guise of "textulism" - The cruel joke is that the GOP got the "little guy" to buy in that this was good for him. Bravo Oh, don’t get me wrong- I have ZERO faith in Republicans…I am not beholden to any political party… Thats why I appreciate when things get shaken up a bit, to snap people out of the trans they are in, and cause people to think twice about why, what they are doing, is not working… Its not a great situation, but it is certainly better than the status quo, imo…👍 1
The Frankish Reich Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 21 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: to snap people out of the trans they are in Someone's been thinking about chicks with, umm, something special just a little too much. 1 1
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