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11 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:


Would have been the exact opposite of that. 
 

Had they gone through with it, the Dems would have helped the GOP elect a Republican speaker for nothing in return. 
 

So, creating some stability without extracting concessions. The opposite of a power play to spread chaos. 
 

If, however, you’d like to see a power play to spread chaos, the House GOP is right there. A handful of members completely disrupting functioning government because they have the emotional and intellectual bandwidth of toddlers. 

Interesting take.  So by not voting present, they bypassed the on a golden opportunity to have this matter resolved, thus contributing to the problem.  

That’s just great. 


 

20 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

There is, let's see it 

 

I don't believe it 

Open thyne own true eyes, election denier.  

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16 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

https://x.com/jakesherman/status/1716913458741187065?s=46&t=Jf_5fQharG6pLsB8ACvvjQ
 

Tom Emmer has dropped out of the race for speaker. 
 

What a clownshow. 

The Cult said no. So he’s done. Read this and tell me it’s not a Cult as the leader speaks of himself in the third person:

 

“I have many wonderful friends wanting to be Speaker of the House, and some are truly great Warriors,” Mr. Trump wrote on Truth Social. “RINO Tom Emmer, who I do not know well, is not one of them. He never respected the Power of a Trump Endorsement, or the breadth and scope of MAGA—MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!”

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5 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Interesting take.  So by not voting present, they bypassed the on a golden opportunity to have this matter resolved, thus contributing to the problem.  


First, they never had this option for Emmer as his candidacy never made it to the floor before it collapsed. 
 

Second, every time there has been a vote on the floor, the Dems vote for one candidate who has generally been ending up with most of the votes. Not only would it only take a handful of GOPers to elect a speaker, but the Dems have stated they are open to talking and yet the GOP won’t engage. 
 

Third, the GOP is the majority party here. When the Dems had the exact same majority, they were able to figure it out. This is squarely on the GOP. They are reaping what they have sown. 
 

Finally, if the situation was reversed and the Dems couldn’t elect a speaker despite having the majority, would you blame the GOP?

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Posted
18 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:


First, they never had this option for Emmer as his candidacy never made it to the floor before it collapsed. 
 

Second, every time there has been a vote on the floor, the Dems vote for one candidate who has generally been ending up with most of the votes. Not only would it only take a handful of GOPers to elect a speaker, but the Dems have stated they are open to talking and yet the GOP won’t engage. 
 

Third, the GOP is the majority party here. When the Dems had the exact same majority, they were able to figure it out. This is squarely on the GOP. They are reaping what they have sown. 
 

Finally, if the situation was reversed and the Dems couldn’t elect a speaker despite having the majority, would you blame the GOP?

I thought both “both side-ism” was anathema to this type of conversation involving politics?  You told me so just recently.  
 

Next time please don't make me work so hard on this. 
 

It is on the GOP, on that we agree.  I’m not always convinced that voting in lockstep is indicative of some great democratic tradition, but it’s absolutely true the R party has a whole host of issues. 

Posted
11 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Exactly what do the screwy 8 or whatever they’re called expect to happen? They couldn’t even get close with Jordan. Maybe they’re just auditioning for Fox hosting gigs. 

They don't care what's it matter if no one gets the job and the government shuts down, they don't want the government to do anything anyway and they'll use the shut down as proof that it doesn't work even though they're reason it happened. So either way they win so they'll burn it all down unless they get someone they want.

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35 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Interesting take.  So by not voting present, they bypassed the on a golden opportunity to have this matter resolved, thus contributing to the problem.  

That’s just great. 

 

Always pointing fingers at everyone else but his own corrupt party.  Classic MAGA

 

 

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Anything to drop congressional approval ratings below the floor of the ***** house where they currently reside....I'm for.

 

ALL are useless, no matter the team.

 

Flush it all.

Posted
6 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Always pointing fingers at everyone else but his own corrupt party.  Classic MAGA

 

 

It was Chi’s theory, you probably got confused by the hatefire that burns within you and your tendency to rage without considering what you’re really upset about.  

 

I was just confused by what he was suggesting, but he cleared it up for me. 


 

 

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Posted
16 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

Anything to drop congressional approval ratings below the floor of the ***** house where they currently reside....I'm for.

 

ALL are useless, no matter the team.

 

Flush it all.

 

If anything, this should improve their approval ratings...

Posted
20 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I thought both “both side-ism” was anathema to this type of conversation involving politics?  You told me so just recently.  
 

Next time please don't make me work so hard on this. 
 

It is on the GOP, on that we agree.  I’m not always convinced that voting in lockstep is indicative of some great democratic tradition, but it’s absolutely true the R party has a whole host of issues. 

 

It's weird because traditionally the Dems have been the party of trying to herd cats while the GOP has been much better at voting as a solid bloc.

 

That seems to have flipped in recent years.

 

I think a large part of what's keeping the House GOP caucus in disarray is that they feel beholden to the MAGA wing. We saw this when dozens of them voted against Jim Jordan in a secret ballot after having voted for him on a public ballot. There is no platform, no goals, no ideals. Just a requirement to be completely owned by MAGA. That makes compromise within the party difficult and compromising across the aisle verboten.

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