Around the NFL Week 4

[Mango]

21 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Rodney Harrison is a POS

 

 

I think Saleh is a big part of why pundits think it’s ok to speak so flippantly about Wilson. Also Harrison is a consummate POS.

[Doc Brown]

46 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Why is X calling a screen shot of the NFL page sensitive content???

You're reaching.  The ref was grabbing for his flag while the ball was in the air.  Also, for all the people that complain about Sauce Gardner getting away with holding you're mad at that call?

[BigDingus]

16 minutes ago, Mango said:

I think Saleh is a big part of why pundits think it’s ok to speak so flippantly about Wilson. Also Harrison is a consummate POS.

 

At this point, even I'm pulling for Wilson to succeed. Not that I want the Jets to be good or anything, but Wilson seems like he really good dude that I hope will figure it out.

[PetermansRedemption]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

You're reaching.  The ref was grabbing for his flag while the ball was in the air.  Also, for all the people that complain about Sauce Gardner getting away with holding you're mad at that call?

I’m wayyyy more upset about the blatant holding that everyone watching the game could see on Mahomes long scramble. The Giant player literally starts smacking the chiefs player in the helmet to try to get him to stop holding. It was one of the worst holding no calls I’ve ever seen. 

[syhuang]

3 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

I’m wayyyy more upset about the blatant holding that everyone watching the game could see on Mahomes long scramble. The Giant player literally starts smacking the chiefs player in the helmet to try to get him to stop holding. It was one of the worst holding no calls I’ve ever seen. 

 

 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, syhuang said:

 

 

Yeah.  I saw a lot of those clips on twitter.  I also saw some obvious game changing calls that the Chiefs got screwed on that Chiefs fans pointed out.  Example..

 

 

I'm not conspiratorial by nature when it comes to officiating because they're human beings watching 22 players at real time speed.  The refs just sucked in that game and I blame their incompetence above all else.  I would put more officials on the field and make it their full time job.  Especially with them fully embracing gambling.

[GunnerBill]

37 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Yeah.  I saw a lot of those clips on twitter.  I also saw some obvious game changing calls that the Chiefs got screwed on that Chiefs fans pointed out.  Example..

 

 

I'm not conspiratorial by nature when it comes to officiating because they're human beings watching 22 players at real time speed.  The refs just sucked in that game and I blame their incompetence above all else.  I would put more officials on the field and make it their full time job.  Especially with them fully embracing gambling.

 

And on offensive holding I think it is a conscious decision. Think they have been asked / told to back off on calling it.

Edited October 3, 2023 by GunnerBill

[Doc Brown]

28 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And on offensive holding I think it is a conscious decision. Think they have been asked / told to back off on calling it.

Which is ridiculous.  If they're told to "back off" on offensive holding you're going to get more of a variance on that call because each official will create his own standard of what is enough to draw a flag.  Holding is holding.  It goes back to that inconsistency frustration that Saleh brought up after the game.

[Steptide]

Fell asleep at halftime. Just looked at the final score. Can't believe the giants went all in on Jones. What a terrible mistake 

[Real McClappy]

5 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Fell asleep at halftime. Just looked at the final score. Can't believe the giants went all in on Jones. What a terrible mistake 

Not a JONES fan by any means, the OLine looks like the 2018 BIlls OLine.  GIANTs are going to get throttled by the Dolphins and Bills in back to back weeks. 

Daboll and staff are going to be under the hot seat for sure.

[Captain Hindsight]

5 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

You're reaching.  The ref was grabbing for his flag while the ball was in the air.  Also, for all the people that complain about Sauce Gardner getting away with holding you're mad at that call?

Yup. He redirects the receiver and holds him. It’s absolutely was a penalty 

59 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Fell asleep at halftime. Just looked at the final score. Can't believe the giants went all in on Jones. What a terrible mistake 

I’m higher in Jones than most. He is tough as nails and is actually pretty talented, but he is careless with the football and doesn’t make enough “wow” to make it worth it. 

Edited October 3, 2023 by Captain Hindsight

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And on offensive holding I think it is a conscious decision. Think they have been asked / told to back off on calling it.

Put OL and DL players in straitjackets?  Then we'll see if there are holding penalties.  I'm still figuring out what to do for the WR / DB holding and pass interference problems and non-calls. 🤔

2 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

 

I’m higher in Jones than most. He is tough as nails and is actually pretty talented, but he is careless with the football and doesn’t make enough “wow” to make it worth it. 

When your nickname is 'Danny Dimes' you answer to no one. 😁

[Mango]

5 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

At this point, even I'm pulling for Wilson to succeed. Not that I want the Jets to be good or anything, but Wilson seems like he really good dude that I hope will figure it out.

same 

 

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Yeah.  I saw a lot of those clips on twitter.  I also saw some obvious game changing calls that the Chiefs got screwed on that Chiefs fans pointed out.  Example..

 

 

I'm not conspiratorial by nature when it comes to officiating because they're human beings watching 22 players at real time speed.  The refs just sucked in that game and I blame their incompetence above all else.  I would put more officials on the field and make it their full time job.  Especially with them fully embracing gambling.

The Patriots had some timely advantages to their calls. But I think this years Chiefs are way worse. What they’ve been able to get a way with on OL for nearly every play of every game is insane.

 

This is worse than its ever been for any team.

11 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Yup. He redirects the receiver and holds him. It’s absolutely was a penalty 

I’m higher in Jones than most. He is tough as nails and is actually pretty talented, but he is careless with the football and doesn’t make enough “wow” to make it worth it. 

Daniel Jones was nowhere near the top of the list of things wrong with the Giants last night. That was a total dumpster fire.
 

Danny Dimes contract is a non issue, they have $40M in space next year with an out after 2024.  

Edited October 3, 2023 by Mango

[Doc]

5 hours ago, syhuang said:

 

 

I said that when I saw it in real time as well. I was happy that the Chiefs won because I took them in my survivor pool but they were getting gifts from the refs all night.  
 

As for last night, I hope it puts to rest the “what Brian Daboll did for Josh Allen” narrative.  Josh did for Josh, with a major assist from Jordan Palmer. 

[MikePJ76]

IN a few weeks it sure seems like the giants will be open for business.

 

They are going to be picking top 5 and they should be after the USC quarterback.  They are going to need extra picks.  

 

I have to imagine Dexter Mckinney, Adoree Jackson, Saquan Barkley are all going to be traded.  If buffalo were to want Jackson they may be able to make that happen for a 4 or a 5 but I am not sure how they fit his remaining salary in.  Also who knows how he would fit the scheme.  

 

Its amazing how pathetic the new york giants offensive line is.  Its one of the worst position groups I have ever seen on any team in my 40 years of watching football.

[May Day 10]

I know it's not how these things always work, but it looks like buffalo should beat the giants by 40

[Gregg]

That Giants OL is going to get Jones killed. 11 sacks overall and facing constant pressure. I think the Giants are looking at a 3- or 4-win season tops. At Miami then at Buffalo. Hello 1-5.

[Bob in STL]

The Giants are a complete mess. Daboll lost the team already.  Miami should be 20 point favorites.  

[Doc]

It was stupid to give Jones that contract.  They're stuck with him for another year and then have a $22M cap hit in 2025.  I was thinking that originally Daboll might get fired midway through 2024, but I think that if they continue this year, he's gone at the end of the year, proving he couldn't do with Jones what he did with Josh, therefore it wasn't on him, and that his offense isn't good without Josh to run it.

[Mango]

1 hour ago, Bob in STL said:

The Giants are a complete mess. Daboll lost the team already.  Miami should be 20 point favorites.  

 

I think Daboll has always been a blowhard. Not a terrible dude, but he cannot be "the guy" at the top or in total control of one side of the ball. He needs a few degrees of separation to provide a buffer. He needs to be part of an ensemble, he can't be the star or the conductor.