The Bills biggest problem on offense remains unchanged

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said:

That's fine oldman, the Dolphins just ran for over 300 yards. 

 

The Bills (and Bernard) shut them down, or hold them to reasonable yardage, I will readily admit I'm wrong. 

 

I think media, some fans, see the Commanders game: 2 sacks, a FR, and a Interception (great) and conclude we're all set. 

 

I do think the risk is there that he is small against the run. 

 

Can't have it all, and for sure he's been much better than I thought he'd be. His last game matched Edmunds best game ever and he had 5 years here. 

It’s going to be a helluva game Sunday.  They’ll be tough to slow down but we did so last year in 120 degree heat and 4 non starters in the defensive backfield.  

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

As I pointed out since so many fawn over PFF around here, Brown is ranked higher.  Sorry if that also escaped you.  And since you brought up Jones as a guy that you apparently think is better than Brown, tell me how many Browns games you’ve watched.

His pass blocking grade is over 75.0. 

 

PFF dings him for run blocking, in Week 1 he was in the 30's. 

 

 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

His pass blocking grade is over 75.0. 

 

PFF dings him for run blocking, in Week 1 he was in the 30's. 

 

 

So now we have to nitpick?  And tell me again how many Browns games you’ve watched.

Edited September 27, 2023 by oldmanfan

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Josh, Allen escapability skllls are probably the best in NFL history and what I saw the last couple of games could entirely be that. However, I am suggesting there is an element of design and what is happening and that Josh knows what direction Brown is going to let the defender beat him, if need be. And that a certain count in his head Allen is going to confidently roll right knowing the DE assigned to Brown is not

going to be an issue. 
 

 

I think there is an element of design too. Not that Spencer is allowing himself to be beat but that he knows if he is going to get beat his job is at least to direct inside.

[Brand J]

5 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

His last game dwarfed Edmunds best game ever and he had 5 years here. 

FIFY. Edmunds never had a single game close to the numbers Bernard put up last Sunday. And I can’t even identify a signature Edmunds game.  

[Straight Hucklebuck]

10 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

So now we have to nitpick?  And tell me again how many Browns games you’ve watched.

Well I walked you into this one. 

 

I live in Ohio (have since 2006), lived in 3 places around Cleveland, so I am very versed in the Browns. 

 

It's not a surprise to me that a 6'8" 379 pound OT with an 87" wingspan who played at Ohio State is already starting in the league. Jack Conklin was a ticking time bomb because his lower legs have accumulated numerous injuries. He lasted 1/2-quarter before tearing a ligament in Week One. 

 

Dawand lumbers against the run, but even against Watt, if he gets his hands on you (watch him verses Hendrickson in Week One) your momentum stops as a DE instantly. 

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

FIFY. Edmunds never had a single game close to the numbers Bernard put up last Sunday. And I can’t even identify a signature Edmunds game.  

Yes, again, written generally that Bernard has already matched Edmunds best performance. 

 

FIFY - great, happy to accept the clarification. 

Edited September 27, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Buffalo_Stampede]

40 minutes ago, Dunkirk Donski said:

I couldnt agree more with this.  Josh needs another weapon he can trust and Gabe is NOT the answer

Time to try Kincaid as that 2nd option. Davis and Knox just aren’t reliable.

[Dopey]

19 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I agree.  The OLine and Spencer both seem improved.  Of course they could improve more.

 

Meanwhile our real "biggest problem on offense"  (WR2) does not seem to have been addressed or improved.  The inconsistency of G Davis is still there.   His lackadaisical route against the Jets cost us the game.  Another baffling drop against Wash.  I've seen enough, the trial is over.  Do what it takes to get a stud WR - M Evans or C Kupp.  

Some of you are still excusing away Josh's terrible performance!?!? Stop with the BS, Josh lost that game. Not Dorsey, not Gabe, not Brown, not McDermott. Straight up Josh. Even if a crisp route was run, Josh should not have thrown that pass. I guess the other INT's and the fumble just don't matter. Cuz it's Josh?

 

[Einstein's Dog]

26 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

I mean I'd love another elite wr but i just don't see it happening with the cap, Idk , I really like Gabe , he had a phenomenal week 2, big TD last week.  Ya he's a bit inconsistent but we could do alot worse at WR2. I think he's top 10 WR2. 

In the AFC the only with better WR2s are

Mia

LAC , well not anymore with Williams down

Cincy

That's it.

 

You can argue Denver with Jeudy and Pitt with Dionte Johnson i guess but I'd still take Gabe personally 

 

Gabe a top 10 WR2?  No.  You mentioned Mia, LAC, Cincy, Denver + Pitt.  Now add Vegas (Adams/Meyer/Renfro), Jax (Ridley/Kirk).  Then add the NYJ (Wilson/Lazard) and even Houston (Collins/Tank).  And these are all AFC teams.

[SoonerBillsFan]

Look Davis isn't going anywhere this year. We need Trent to step up his game and maybe slide into #2.  There is only so much cap room and so much you can do in an offseason. RT and WR need upgrades this offseason, but with our cap situation next year I would look for that to be addressed in the draft.

[John from Riverside]

6 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Look Davis isn't going anywhere this year. We need Trent to step up his game and maybe slide into #2.  There is only so much cap room and so much you can do in an offseason. RT and WR need upgrades this offseason, but with our cap situation next year I would look for that to be addressed in the draft.

I still think that the long term number two is not on the roster yet
 

Here’s what I think is going to happen

 

Gabe Davis’s gonna ride out this year with us. He’s gonna have a good season.

 

He’s gonna get a stupid money offer which he is going to take in the off-season

 

We are either going to use our first or second round pick on a wide receiver a talented player that we can have on a long cost control contract

 

We seem to have short of our o line but will still probably draft a right tackle

[Watkins101]

Pretty sure the biggest problem last year was not being able to run the ball. So far that has been better than last year. 

[Einstein's Dog]

2 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Some of you are still excusing away Josh's terrible performance!?!? Stop with the BS, Josh lost that game. Not Dorsey, not Gabe, not Brown, not McDermott. Straight up Josh. Even if a crisp route was run, Josh should not have thrown that pass. I guess the other INT's and the fumble just don't matter. Cuz it's Josh?

 

Obviously it's not one person.  And more than one person can have a bad game. 

 

But when a borderline WR runs a route like that, there can be real consequences.  Especially when going into this season Gabe had to become more consistent, clean up the drops, and run better routes.  It hasn't happened.  Plan B needs to be in full swing, and this can't wait until next year.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

9 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Look Davis isn't going anywhere this year. We need Trent to step up his game and maybe slide into #2.  There is only so much cap room and so much you can do in an offseason. RT and WR need upgrades this offseason, but with our cap situation next year I would look for that to be addressed in the draft.

You're right to some degree here. 

 

The run on WR started right before the Bills pick, and out of those so far it looks like Flowers would have been the right pick. 

 

And no problem with the Bills investing in Torrence in Round 2. 

 

There was nothing in FA. There was no money for DeAndre Hopkins. 

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I still think that the long term number two is not on the roster yet
 

Here’s what I think is going to happen

 

Gabe Davis’s gonna ride out this year with us. He’s gonna have a good season.

 

He’s gonna get a stupid money offer which he is going to take in the off-season

 

We are either going to use our first or second round pick on a wide receiver a talented player that we can have on a long cost control contract

 

We seem to have short of our o line but will still probably draft a right tackle

Agree with this. 

 

WR, RT, S seem to be top of the list right now. 

[JerseyBills]

16 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Gabe a top 10 WR2?  No.  You mentioned Mia, LAC, Cincy, Denver + Pitt.  Now add Vegas (Adams/Meyer/Renfro), Jax (Ridley/Kirk).  Then add the NYJ (Wilson/Lazard) and even Houston (Collins/Tank).  And these are all AFC teams.

I said Den n Pit is arguable. I'd take Gabe personally. 

No chance I'd take Myers or Renfrow, Kirk , Lazzard is laughable and Tank is way to early to tell

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Spencer brown is less of a problem now…you can gameplan around one bad offensive linemen but when you start to have two or more it goes bad in a hurry 

 

last year saffold and brown both being bad was a disaster 

Edited September 27, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Einstein's Dog]

8 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

The run on WR started right before the Bills pick, and out of those so far it looks like Flowers would have been the right pick. 

 

There was nothing in FA. There was no money for DeAndre Hopkins. 

 

The draft is somewhat of a crap shoot.  Better to get a sure thing veteran.

 

There were plenty of rumors the Bills tried to trade for DHop - once he hit the open market the odds went down.

[Ballhawk]

I don't know why the Bills simply don't run screens off the right side, where Brown getting beat actually helps create an opening behind the DE driving up field?

 

Just seems like a nice way to capitalize on this weakness while possibly inserting some doubt in the DE (once we ran a few successfully). Brown hasn't been great, but I think he could slow the DE down just enough to setup the screen.

[Einstein's Dog]

21 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Here’s what I think is going to happen

Gabe Davis’s gonna ride out this year with us. He’s gonna have a good season.

He’s gonna get a stupid money offer which he is going to take in the off-season

 

We are either going to use our first or second round pick on a wide receiver a talented player that we can have on a long cost control contract

 

We seem to have short of our o line but will still probably draft a right tackle

Here's what I think/hope:

 

The FO realizes Gabe Davis is not having a good year- last year here.

 

The FO anticipated this and does not wait.  In-season trade.  We may use our first (Kupp) or second (M Evans) on a multi-year contract (going beyond Diggs' contract length for that insurance).

[oldmanfan]

2 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Thanks for that info.

But it doesn't negate the OP's points - if we had to spend one less receiving asset to help Brown in pass pro, the O would be even more dynamic and diverse that it already is. While the last two weeks have been more than adequate to blowout the teams, we will struggle against teams built like the Jets D or if we run into a high scoring team with a great pass rush. Undoubtedly, there will be at least one such team in the playoffs

I’ll give you an example of a high scoring team with a great pass rush:

 

The Buffalo Bills