The Bills biggest problem on offense remains unchanged

[Alphadawg7]

You cant fix everything in one offseason...the OL is playing much better overall, Bills are even 5th in rushing yards in the NFL without Allen running a whole lot this year.  

 

Every team has an area or player that needs a certain upgrade.  Bills are doing what is necessary to help make this work right now, and I am supremely confident that  if Brown doesn't put it together this season then one of our first 2 draft picks next year will include a RT (if they don't bring one in via trade or free agency first).  

 

 

[NewEra]

No cap. 
 

If he continues this level of play all season, this should look to trade him.

[The Jokeman]

Take a look at other starting right OTs in the league, Spencer's penalties and sack against are better/comparable than those of the Chiefs, 49ers, Dolphins just to name teams in the discussion as leagues best.

[Chaos]

3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Take a look at other starting right OTs in the league, Spencer's penalties and sack against are better/comparable than those of the Chiefs, 49ers, Dolphins just to name teams in the discussion as leagues best.

[Coldfronts]

You bring up a good point.  It's undeniable that the tight ends are handing off defensive ends to Brown. This is a question that should be asked of the coaches. I wish the media would ask it

[The Jokeman]

@Chaosthank you.

[NewEra]

30 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Actually, I don't think the adjustments have been a problem.  We have faced two of the best defensive lines in the league and their damage has been limited.  Against lesser competition the plan could differ significantly.

 

And my opinion of a different biggest problem on offense was deemed off-topic?

The jets DL wrecked us and was one of the reasons we lost.  Josh didn’t trust them and made bad decisions because of it. 
 

The raiders DL is awful minus one player….which is easy to avoid and chip.  

 

The pass protection vs Washington was very good, but we also had to keep our weapons in to help a good amount because the coaching staff knows they can’t trust Brown.  The Washington DL is great but the rest of the D sucked, so we were able to get away with it.  
 

I hope we continue to give brown help in pass pro all season…..because he needs it more than most starting OTs….. but it’s terrible that we have to go to such measures as much as we do.  I don’t think any team does it as much as us, but I could be wrong. 

[Brand J]

Brown has the temperament, athleticism, and long arms to be a very good RT, but he’s just so tall and angular that I’d like to see him put on 20 pounds of functional weight/strength. Since his center of gravity is so high, DEs have the option of bull rushing or going right around him. If he was stronger and heavier I feel like he’d have more of a chance to hold off his defender once he got his hands on him. Right now he’s not strong enough so the height works against him. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Nope.  It’s picking out a punching bag.  Happens every year.  

It’s because of consistent weakness that one becomes a punching bag

[SoMAn]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Just don't agree with the OP. Brown has been good enough against good competition.  He's been better than Dawkins. 

The problems on offense is the inability to execute a screen play, the inability to get more downfield throws to Knox and Kincaid, and the failure of the two new WRs to make any impact. 

Why this team can't execute a screen is beyond me. 

Not getting Kincaid and Knox deep down the seams is on Dorsey.

The true slot WR spot should go to Shakir. No he isn't a gadget guy but he is a solid WR that finds ways to get open. He is a slightly less quick Beasley 2.0.

My hope is that some of the missing elements in the offense you’ve cited are due to not needing them, at least in the last 2 lopsided wins.  
Could be they’re reserving some of their playbook for bigger threats like the one coming up next weekend. Maybe we’ll see a few wrinkles that haven’t yet made their was to the field. 

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, Simon said:

 

The suggestion that he's shown improvement is not in any way a "fact".

Yea Simon I don’t agree with that

 

Has he even given up a sacked this year?

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

No cap. 
 

If he continues this level of play all season, this should look to trade him.

I never understood this line of thinking if the player improves and they’re young why would you trade away something that you actually need for your team yourself?

 

I mean, it’s not like any of this is going to happen the bills obviously love Spencer Brown they stuck with him through his injury and his poor play

[Airseven]

They don’t love Spencer Brown. They’re simply committed to (stuck with) him, in part because of cap issues, and trying to make the best of it.

[Mr. WEO]

It seems like only yesterday the board was fawning over young Spencer Brown....

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Oh, true,  There are the pass plays which get blown up, or where Josh evades, or where he gets hit.

 

I didn't say almost every play - I said almost every pass play.  I give Spencer Brown his propers - he's a mauler in run blocking.

You do understand when Brown rides a guy past Allen and Allen steps up in the pocket that is good pass blocking.  I don't think you understand oline blocking nor the level of competition he has been facing.

I don’t recall a single play where Brown was "blown up" in the last two weeks

 First week yes there were several. If you can point them out happy to look.

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Why do so many fans feel the need to assign a player as the designated punching bag?  This year it’s Brown.  Last few year Edmunds with a sprinkling of Oliver and Saffold.  Brown has done OK so far.

 

 

Why would anyone consider naming a weak link on a team akin to making him "a punching bag"?  I never understood this.

 

For example, Saffold was a disaster.  Does saying so make him "a punching bag"?  

[oldmanfan]

52 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Why would anyone consider naming a weak link on a team akin to making him "a punching bag"?  I never understood this.

 

For example, Saffold was a disaster.  Does saying so make him "a punching bag"?  

I get the point several have made.  My point is there seems to be an effort to single guys out even before the season starts.  Brown is this year.  He’s not an All Pro but if you watched the game Sunday he did pretty good.  

[4BillsintheBurgh]

5 hours ago, Simon said:

It continues to be the same problem that has been plaguing them for three years, and that problem is Spencer Brown.

I give them credit for the solid job they have done hiding him so far, but the fact that they continue to have to go out of their way to protect him every week is absolutely handicapping what should be a much more efficient offense. When you have to commit skill players to blocking roles that often, it's like they're playing 10 on 11 out there.

If you wonder why Kincaid and Knox aren't having big impacts check and see how long it takes them to actually get into their routes when they have to spend extra time protecting Spencer Brown before they can leave the LOS.

If you wonder where Damien Harris and Latavius Murray are, look how often they are being asked to cover Spencer Brown. Hell, the Bills are actually using Murray on the LOS just to engage DE's while Brown is still getting set up in pass pro.

 

I really like Spencer Brown and am glad he is on the roster. You tell him to bury the guy in front of him on a 34 dive, and that's what he'll usually do. But he simply does not have the feet to be a complete OT in the modern NFL and is never going to. The necessity for the Bills to take skill players and put them on their heels to protect Brown instead of using them to attack defenses is making it impossible for them to maximize their offensive talent. And as long as they insist on putting a Tackle out there who can't play Tackle in this league, it's going to continue to be a problem all year.

I'm not a GM and have no idea what the in-season solution could be, or if there is even one available. The time to address the issue was the offseason and they didn't do enough solve the problem. I'm not saying it is going to sink their season down the road, but it is certainly going to make things much harder then they needed to be on offense for the rest of this year.

I think they did the right thing by bringing in Shell this off-season, I'd be interested to sit down with him to understand if he retired because of a coaching decision. It's too bad they haven't found someone else to try and compete a little, but it would be difficult at this point.

One option on the roster if it gets really bad would be to move Dawkins over there and send in Van Demark. You'd like to swap Van Demark and Brown, but Van Demark hasn't looked good on the right side. I don't see that swap happening unless there is an injury, might be tough on Dawkins too.

I've gotta think that will be the biggest issue on offense in the offseason, it will be interesting to see what resources are thrown at RT or OT in general. At this point I'm thinking another vet and a 1st or 2nd round draft pick and let them sort it out.

[harryS]

7 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

The Bills just destroyed the Commanders in a game in which we had something like NINE sacks while our starting RB nearly broke 100 yards and we choose now to complain about the offensive line? Okie Dokie? 

 

The goal isn't to beat Washington.

 

Plus, criticism is sometimes best received after victory.  A win doesn't mean you're perfect.

[NewEra]

5 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Yea Simon I don’t agree with that

 

Has he even given up a sacked this year?

I never understood this line of thinking if the player improves and they’re young why would you trade away something that you actually need for your team yourself?

 

I mean, it’s not like any of this is going to happen the bills obviously love Spencer Brown they stuck with him through his injury and his poor play

I said “if he continues this level of play (which is poor imo) we should trade him”.  I don’t think he’s that much improved in pass pro.  We’re just giving him a lot more help, making him look much improved.  
 

so, you don’t understand why I’d want to trade a player that isn’t good?  🤷🏻‍♂️

[John from Riverside]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I said “if he continues this level of play (which is poor imo) we should trade him”.  I don’t think he’s that much improved in pass pro.  We’re just giving him a lot more help, making him look much improved.  
 

so, you don’t understand why I’d want to trade a player that isn’t good?  🤷🏻‍♂️

I disagree that he isn’t playing well there are a lot of right tackles in the league they get that same kind of help
 

And he isn’t getting help on every play