The Bills biggest problem on offense remains unchanged

[Scott7975]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Nope.  It’s picking out a punching bag.  Happens every year.  

 

Well if the "punching bag" is a weakness of a team then people are going to talk about it.  Why is it a problem to talk about a weak player?

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I just watched the Bills 3 RBs and 2 TEs combine for a grand total of about 30yrds receiving (or about 6 yrds per player) because they're busy spending half the game playing RT. It's a problem just about every week, regardless of whether they win.

It’s definitely a weak spot Simon. Nobody is arguing that. Not even me. The point is that THIS is the team for the remainder of 2023. If you can ‘watch’ that weakness from your television I’m going to assume the highly paid coaching staff can as well. Now…let’s see if they make adjustments for it. As I’m sure you’re aware, there isn’t a starting RT waiting to swoop in from the union Hall. 

Edited September 27, 2023 by SoCal Deek

[mannc]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

It’s definitely a sea spot Simon. Nobody is arguing that. Not even me. The point is that this is the team for the remainder of 2023. If can ‘watch’ that weakness from your television I’m going to assume the highly paid coaching staff can as well. Now…let’s see if they make adjustments for it. As I’m sure you’re aware, there isn’t a starting RT waiting to swoop in from the union Hall. 

As I understand the OP's point, the coaching staff has made adjustments for Brown, and it's those adjustments that are crippling us... 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, mannc said:

As I understand the OP's point, the coaching staff has made adjustments for Brown, and it's those adjustments that are crippling us... 

Again….no argument on the adjustments but ‘crippling’ us? Seems a tad harsh. Every team has a weak spot. Some have many. I don’t see this as being a huge issue, yet. It’s a long season and as Gene Hackman said in Hoosiers: “THIS is your team.”

[Simon]

8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Nope.  It’s picking out a punching bag.  Happens every year.  

 

Can you tell me who I've picked out as a punching bag every other year?

No? Then maybe you should stop making up stuff about me and stick to the subject of the thread instead of dragging my discussion off topic.

[mannc]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Again….no argument on the adjustments but ‘crippling’ us? Seems a tad harsh. Every team has a weak spot. Some have many. I don’t see this as being a huge issue, yet. It’s a long season and as Gene Hackman said in Hoosiers: “THIS is your team.”

You said "let's wait for the adjustments" and my point was that the adjustments have already been made and the adjustments themselves are a problem.  I guess we could argue about how big of a problem they are but that wasn't my real point...

[Rigotz]

What's the deal with this topic title?

 

"The Bills biggest problem on offense remains unchanged"

 

Last year, was it not Saffold? Rookie playcaller in Dorsey? Lack of a good slot option?

 

Or ... if we're talking about this year ... what were you expecting after 3 games that is now so unchanged? Spencer Brown was going to take the Week 3 Leap?

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

You said "let's wait for the adjustments" and my point was that the adjustments have already been made and the adjustments themselves are a problem.  I guess we could argue about how big of a problem they are but that wasn't my real point...

While adjustments have been made they’re never done until the coaches see if they’re working. The roster is set. The adjusting goes on all throughout the year and into the playoffs…God willing. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

27 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Why do so many fans feel the need to assign a player as the designated punching bag?  This year it’s Brown.  Last few year Edmunds with a sprinkling of Oliver and Saffold.  Brown has done OK so far.

Saffold deserved every punch thrown in his direction. That guy was just straight up awful. 

[Einstein's Dog]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

You said "let's wait for the adjustments" and my point was that the adjustments have already been made and the adjustments themselves are a problem.  I guess we could argue about how big of a problem they are but that wasn't my real point...

Actually, I don't think the adjustments have been a problem.  We have faced two of the best defensive lines in the league and their damage has been limited.  Against lesser competition the plan could differ significantly.

 

9 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Because you're not dragging my discussion off into B word fest #3,679 about Offensive Coordinators

 

And my opinion of a different biggest problem on offense was deemed off-topic?

[BuffAlone]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

The suggestion that he's shown improvement is not in any way a "fact".

If not statistically a "fact", what do you call it??

[oldmanfan]

25 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Well if the "punching bag" is a weakness of a team then people are going to talk about it.  Why is it a problem to talk about a weak player?

I have been watching Brown every game thus far.  He has played OK.  Too many fans have confirmation bias and/or think you should have All Pro caliber guys at every position.

[Simon]

1 minute ago, BuffAlone said:

If not statistically a "fact", what do you call it??

Opinion?

Hope?

Groupthink?

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

0 sacks.

 

He’s had help, but he’s been ok. The fact he’s shown improvement thus far says let’s see how much improvement he continues to make over the season. 

 

Thats...contradictory, isn't it?

 

27 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Nope.  It’s picking out a punching bag.  Happens every year.  

 

I'll put it out there...I'm pretty sure @Simon has forgotten more ball than I know, and it's not his habit to participate in the annual whipping boy contest.

 

If he sees Spencer Brown as still a problem and still receiving help in pass pro to the extent that it limits our offense, that's probably what's going down.

[Beck Water]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

I have been watching Brown every game thus far.  He has played OK.  Too many fans have confirmation bias and/or think you should have All Pro caliber guys at every position.

 

I don't think we should have All-pro caliber guys at every position. 

 

But needing to have a TE chip or assign an RB to help almost every pass play, does limit our offense. #facts

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

I don't think we should have All-pro caliber guys at every position. 

 

But needing to have a TE chip or assign an RB to help almost every pass play, does limit our offense. #facts

And it is not almost every play.  Watch the games.

[Einstein's Dog]

6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

While adjustments have been made they’re never done until the coaches see if they’re working. The roster is set. The adjusting goes on all throughout the year and into the playoffs…God willing. 

Just because they gave the offensive line help against one of the best defensive lines in football does not mean they will do that every game.

 

Secondly the roster could have adjustments.  There could be an in-season trade for a WR2 for example.

[Beck Water]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

And it is not almost every play.  Watch the games.

 

Oh, true,  There are the pass plays which get blown up, or where Josh evades, or where he gets hit.

 

I didn't say almost every play - I said almost every pass play.  I give Spencer Brown his propers - he's a mauler in run blocking.

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Oh, true,  There are the pass plays which get blown up, or where Josh evades, or where he gets hit.

 

I didn't say almost every play - I said almost every pass play.  I give Spencer Brown his propers - he's a mauler in run blocking.

Yes.  It’s not almost every pass play either.  Some yes.  You’d be nuts to just let Crosby go wild for example.  But he did just fine Sunday.

 

What are realistic expectations?  Should a RT allow no pressures in a game?  If that is what people expect there are very few players who pass that test.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

I’ll give you that it’s definitely a hinderence. It isn’t my most concerning thought about the offense.

 

Despite their recent perceived success, I don’t thjnj they have the horses at WR2/3 and TE to win 1v1 consistently in a way that would benefit Allen, taking pressure of his plate by structuring more quick game. 
 

As discussed in numerous other threads, this is not a Dorsey nor Allen strength. I don’t think ot necessarily want it to be. I do however wish they had the option if they needed to.