Defensive coverage schemes

[HoofHearted]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Here is what Bills ran alot of against Miami.

 

Palms or Cathy coverage concepts. 

 

https://www.xandolabs.com/the-lab/defense/coverage/two-high-coverage-structures/palms-and-cathy-coverage-adjustments-to-open-sets/

 

https://steelersdepot.com/2017/05/film-room-keith-butlers-palms-coverage/

 

https://throwdeeppublishing.com/blogs/news/one-coverage-that-solves-a-ton-of-problems

We ran a bunch of split field coverage as opposed to just straight Quarters. Basically what I thought we'd do - Cloud Tyreek and play Quarters opposite. Had a couple variations of it where we zoned the whole quarters side or locked #1 and played Combo on 2&3. Played some 2 Man in 3rd and long situations, and brought some early down pressures rolling 3 behind it. Hyde did a great job with coverage check all day.

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, HoofHearted said:

Cover 1, I'm ready to enter contract negotiations whenever you are 😉.

I don't think they make that much money

 

They don't even have Buffalo press credentials 

 

You're way better off coaching then trying to be an internet football guru

Edited October 2, 2023 by Buffalo716

[HoofHearted]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

I don't think they make that much money

 

They don't even have Buffalo press credentials 

Tragic...

[HoofHearted]

33 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You're way better off coaching then trying to be an internet football guru

Supplemental income my friend. There’s so many coaches these days doing the YouTube/Podcast thing. Honestly don’t know where they get the time for it.

[Buffalo716]

46 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

Supplemental income my friend. There’s so many coaches these days doing the YouTube/Podcast thing. Honestly don’t know where they get the time for it.

I don't think there's much supplemental income in there

 

Unless your name is Jordan Palmer or Ryan Clark.. baldinger... unless you have an NFL name next to you

 

Most people you see on Twitter and YouTube are amateur scouts and coaches... 

 

Basically doing it for the Love of the game

 

The cover one guys can do it, cuz they aren't full-time regional scouts or varsity or College coaches ... They made it a job.. and still can't get credentials

 

If You're the head coach at canisius you don't have time for a YouTube channel.. you're preparing a game plan for a top team in Ohio.. going to practice and watching film... Having meetings with other coaches

 

If you have the patience to start slow... And put out good content for fun... For three or four years... Build a subscribers list and a reputation... There may be long-term benefits , including income stream 

 

But it's certainly a long term project that YouTubers turn into a full-time gig

Because part time isn't enough usually 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 2, 2023 by Buffalo716

[HoofHearted]

17 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I don't think there's much supplemental income in there

 

Unless your name is Jordan Palmer or Ryan Clark.. baldinger... unless you have an NFL name next to you

 

Most people you see on Twitter and YouTube are amateur scouts and coaches... 

 

Basically doing it for the Love of the game

 

The cover one guys can do it, cuz they aren't full-time regional scouts or varsity or College coaches 

 

If You're the head coach at canisius you don't have time for a YouTube channel.. you're preparing a game plan for a top team in Ohio.. going to practice and watching film... Having meetings with other coaches

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I’ve coached with a few guys who have done some podcast stuff. They won’t ever get rich off of it but they make a decent chunk of extra change for fairly minimal effort. Course it’s other coaches listening to the stuff they’re doing.

[Buffalo716]

13 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

I’ve coached with a few guys who have done some podcast stuff. They won’t ever get rich off of it but they make a decent chunk of extra change for fairly minimal effort. Course it’s other coaches listening to the stuff they’re doing.

I mean I've coached and scouted for a long time and I certainly like listening to other coaches and their ideas 

 

But minimal effort and YouTube usually don't go hand in hand

 

You need thousands of subscribers usually.. which means putting in hours of content and work 

 

I certainly don't think it's as simple as post a video boom .. 500 dollars 

Edited October 2, 2023 by Buffalo716

[HoofHearted]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

I mean I've coached and scouted for a long time and I certainly like listening to other coaches and their ideas 

 

But minimal effort and YouTube usually don't go hand in hand

 

You need thousands of subscribers usually.. which means putting in hours of content and work 

 

I certainly don't think it's as simple as post a video boom .. 500 dollars 

For sure. I was referring more to the audio only podcasts.

[Beck Water]

On 9/27/2023 at 1:39 AM, BillsIsrael said:

Thanks for all the replies - basically I got 2 a basic answers
1. It's done all the time - where man-to man is mixed with zone  - part of the files is man-to-man and part of the field is zone etc...
2. It's not really done - since it would leave the zone with only 6 men and more exploitable 
My thoughts were maybe using this concept to slow down Hill on Sunday by having him man-to -man all day long with a second defender always in the area as part of the zone to help

 

The Bills have 100% run mixed man and zone coverage at times.    They especially like to do this if they can identify a QB's tendency on what he uses to diagnose coverage and exploit it.  I'm trying to think but I believe in one of the KC games, I think regular season last year where we picked Mahomes twice, someone did a pretty good breakdown showing how Mahomes looked one way, diagnosed the coverage as man, and threw to the other side - but it turned out to be zone coverage there and INT! 

 

I'll see if it comes into my mind who did it and try to link it here, because I thought it was an unusually good breakdown of what was being done and why it worked.

Edited October 4, 2023 by Beck Water

[gonzo1105]

Everyone knows the basics of Zone Coverage. Your basic Cover 2, 3, and 4 are your basic zone coverages. Then you have matchup zones like Palms like someone earlier stated.

 

Then you have mixed zone coverages like Cover 6 where one half of the field is playing Cover 2 while the other half is playing Cover 4. 

 

Then there are rotation zones where they show 2 or 4 and rotate into 3.

 

You have your half man/half zone schemes where over the top your playing Cover 2 but underneath your playing man. 

 

This doesn't even include your robber coverages and things like that that are zone coverages. 

 

That game is much more complex than what the basic coverage books will tell you.

[Beck Water]

On 10/2/2023 at 2:38 PM, Buffalo716 said:

I don't think they make that much money

 

They don't even have Buffalo press credentials 

 

You're way better off coaching then trying to be an internet football guru

 

I believe Cover1 started out as Eric Turner and a few friends doing it to educate themselves and educate fans when their day jobs took them away from coaching... and still that way at times.  But he's definitely moved away from bringing in guys who have a deep Xs and Os knowledge of the game as former players, coaches, or scouts and towards bringing in guys with a marketing/journalism background - maybe because the job market for the latter is tighter than the job market for the former, since there are always schools and teams looking for coaches and scouts? IDK.   So nowadays they have a lot more content and a person has to sift and check the background of the host to understand the value.

 

Don't know how commercially successful Cover1 is but I think it's Turner's pretty much full time gig now. 

 

Have always wondered about the press credentials criteria.

 

There have been bloggers and podcasters who have managed to successfully monetize.  Walter Cherepinski Football would be one example.  He's been at it 24 years, can't say how much money he makes but either he lives on it or he has very tolerant parents with a very nice basement. 

 

Mike Florio would probably be the most famous example of a guy who started a website, ProFootballTalk.com, and made it his full-time gig.  We know he must have made real money because he hung up his law degree and established law practice to go full time with it, but part of that was getting bought out by NBC and of course, being a lawyer, negotiating a favorable revenue-sharing agreement.

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I believe Cover1 started out as Eric Turner and a few friends doing it to educate themselves and educate fans when their day jobs took them away from coaching... and still that way at times.  But he's definitely moved away from bringing in guys who have a deep Xs and Os knowledge of the game as former players, coaches, or scouts and towards bringing in guys with a marketing/journalism background - maybe because the job market for the latter is tighter than the job market for the former, since there are always schools and teams looking for coaches and scouts? IDK.   So nowadays they have a lot more content and a person has to sift and check the background of the host to understand the value.

 

Don't know how commercially successful Cover1 is but I think it's Turner's pretty much full time gig now. 

 

Have always wondered about the press credentials criteria.

 

There have been bloggers and podcasters who have managed to successfully monetize.  Walter Cherepinski Football would be one example.  He's been at it 24 years, can't say how much money he makes but either he lives on it or he has very tolerant parents with a very nice basement. 

 

Mike Florio would probably be the most famous example of a guy who started a website, ProFootballTalk.com, and made it his full-time gig.  We know he must have made real money because he hung up his law degree and established law practice to go full time with it, but part of that was getting bought out by NBC and of course, being a lawyer, negotiating a favorable revenue-sharing agreement.

Turner certainly does it as a full-time job now

 

But the person I was talking to was saying how it's a good side gig to make some extra cash easy.. and jokingly said Turner hire me

 

And I said I think the majority of these people who make breakdown videos do it for the love of the game not money ... that it's a lot harder , than post video and make 500 bucks

 

You need a large base of followers and continuous content... which certainly takes a good amount of time ... which doesn't sound quick and easy

 

My point was.. the people who do this for a living... Like Turner who owns cover 1... Put in massive amount of time .. it's not really a side gig to make money quick ... it's his full time job

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Turner certainly does it as a full-time job now

 

But the person I was talking to was saying how it's a good side gig to make some extra cash easy.. and jokingly said Turner hire me

 

And I said I think the majority of these people who make breakdown videos do it for the love of the game not money ... that it's a lot harder , than post video and make 500 bucks

 

You need a large base of followers and continuous content... which certainly takes a good amount of time ... which doesn't sound quick and easy

 

My point was.. the people who do this for a living... Like Turner who owns cover 1... Put in massive amount of time .. it's not really a side gig to make money quick ... it's his full time job

 

I Hear Ya.  I think for guys who have the ability to invest up front in good equipment and good services - really good video editor, good statistical service - the time commitment probably decreases once they've truly mastered how to use them.   And maybe there's a medium where, as @HoofHearted says, someone knowledgeable could make some content at a "hobby" level of time commitment that would be popular with a niche audience and bring in some decent change, especially if it's at a podcast level where you just talk, vs. video

 

But I know from personal experience that unless you have the gift of gab, it's a lot harder to even just get in front of a mic and talk coherently and interestingly for 30 minutes than people who haven't ever tried might think.  It's why a lot of these pro athletes who try to do podcasts are not necessarily too enthralling, and pull views because of who they are not because of the quality of their content.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I Hear Ya.  I think for guys who have the ability to invest up front in good equipment and good services - really good video editor, good statistical service - the time commitment probably decreases once they've truly mastered how to use them.   And maybe there's a medium where, as @HoofHearted says, someone knowledgeable could make some content at a "hobby" level of time commitment that would be popular with a niche audience and bring in some decent change, especially if it's at a podcast level where you just talk, vs. video

 

But I know from personal experience that unless you have the gift of gab, it's a lot harder to even just get in front of a mic and talk coherently and interestingly for 30 minutes than people who haven't ever tried might think.  It's why a lot of these pro athletes who try to do podcasts are not necessarily too enthralling, and pull views because of who they are not because of the quality of their content.

For sure... I mean Ive had the gift of gab my entire life.. and I've been pushed plenty of times to strat a football podcast 

 

It just seems like a long road from 0 viewers and a lot of work ... to the point where you get satisfaction out of it

 

If I could get 500 listeners every time did a show yea that would be great .. I just wonder how hard it is to get 500 regular listeners 

[GunnerBill]

30 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

For sure... I mean Ive had the gift of gab my entire life.. and I've been pushed plenty of times to strat a football podcast 

 

It just seems like a long road from 0 viewers and a lot of work ... to the point where you get satisfaction out of it

 

If I could get 500 listeners every time did a show yea that would be great .. I just wonder how hard it is to get 500 regular listeners 

 

I was a regular on a soccer podcast over here in the UK for a few years. The guy who ran it worked sooo hard on it. We both had a few contacts with respected journos and with some respected fan blogs etc. We had good guests. And we grew pretty quick to about 800 weekly listeners within 3 months. But then we just never got beyond that point. We got a sponsor at one point for a year, but by the time that expired they had concluded we weren't going to break through the mainstream and pulled their relatively small sponsorship and they turned out to be correct. We had 3 good years and then year 4 the listnership began to drop and ultimately we wound it up. 

Edited October 4, 2023 by GunnerBill

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

On 9/26/2023 at 8:20 PM, HoofHearted said:

Yes, basically every zone concept has scenarios where you will end up being man on a receiver. None of these situations are anything like what you are trying to compare to the box and 1 in basketball. It is possible to replicate the concept though, but you have to lose a guy somewhere else (defensive line) in order to do it.

This sounds like George Edwards “hybrid” defense. Sacrifice the pass rush, for an extra coverage guy. Basically a 34 defense with an extra safety, instead of a linebacker somewhere. Or am I off?