Yards after catch anomaly

[PromoTheRobot]

8 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

you celebrated mediocrity for decades. I’m sure you are beyond your wildest expectations right now. 
 

sure would’ve been nice to be a little better at a few things the last couple years and maybe gotten a parade or two. 

 

I rest my case.

6 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

Opportunity. A comeback route’s YAC opportunity is low. Hitting a WR in stride has a potential for missed tackles and more YAC. One gives you a chance for big plays the other methodically marches you down the field but makes you make more throws. 

 

But if the net result at the end of a game, what's the difference? Again, if teams with superior YAC are so much better why aren't they outperforming the Bills? (Miami being the obvious one this year.) The Bills get their yards through the air because our QB can throw it anywhere.

[Buffalo716]

16 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I rest my case.

 

But if the net result at the end of a game, what's the difference? Again, if teams with superior YAC are so much better why aren't they outperforming the Bills? (Miami being the obvious one this year.) The Bills get their yards through the air because our QB can throw it anywhere.

And the bills are also top 10 in yac rn

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

1 hour ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

It isn’t until it is. When those downfield routes aren’t developing, and Allen isn’t in able to push the ball down the field the way he has been, they need a pivot option to be able to manufacture the same result.

 

A running game, quick game, screens, etc. I think what the Bills do offensively is great, but it is no doubt more difficult to execute than quick game. 
 

I don’t want to see them make a large schematic switch, but it would sure be nice not having to start every 1&10 behind the chains. 

Perfectly said. When teams take away the big plays in the playoffs, we will be wishing for something easy for josh. Or hell, if there’s bad weather, it’d be nice to have easy stuff to rely on and not just long developing, high difficulty throws. 

[PromoTheRobot]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

And the bills are also top 10 in yac rn

 

LOOK!! Another one celebrating mediocrity!!

 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

LOOK!! Another one celebrating mediocrity!!

 

What? 

[PromoTheRobot]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

What? 

 

One of my long time fans.

 

 

 

[Buffalo716]

13 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

One of my long time fans.

 

 

 

Go Bills and Bulls

[ProcessTruster]

Our QB is a dart thower.  I'll take that.  

[dickleyjones]

Now that we are doing the short game, we are getting more yac.

 

What's the problem?

[Matt_In_NH]

Every player is unique and finds ways to be successful in different ways.  I have heard Josh described as a "sometimes see it throw it quarterback" and I think that is accurate.  He does not throw with anticipation as much as other quarterbacks do.  He holds the ball, creates time, finds a guy open standing in a hole and hits him.  For whatever reason this team cannot succeed on short passes/screen passes where you let playmakers get in space and have them do their thing.   I do think there is opportunity for Josh to take his game to the next level by succeeding with those type of passes more often.  I cannot say it is his fault or the plays or how defenses play the Bills.  I know if anyone says Josh can improve on something it does not go over well here, he is only perfect and any time the play does not work its because the receiver dropped the ball or the play call was bad.  I see an potentially even higher ceiling for Josh than he has achieved.

[Big Turk]

15 hours ago, Stenbar said:

I see us use a horizontal behind the line attack more than i see us attack vertically downfield. How many times yesterday, did we throw or run side to side behind the LOS? We were in 3rd and long a lot, and yesterday we got away with it due to the man to man coverage allowing Josh to run free for firstdowns. We have fast wr's in Harty and Shorter, all we heard preseason was how they were going to use them to lengthen the field. We are doing the same thing as last year, good thing our oline is much better than last year. Next week will be vedy interesting to watch 2 offenses that can out points up, and see the different in how they attack defenses. I want to see less behind the LOS passes and way more down the field seam passes and deep corner routes. I want to see us attack the gaps between the guard and tackle and tackle End gaps with hard slant runs. 

Just my 2 cents

 

Depends on what the defense is doing...if they are determined to take away deeper throws, then we are going to have to throw shorter and run effectively to loosen that up. Essentially we need to be patient until the defense gets impatient.

15 hours ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

Then let’s call some simple short crossers that act as de facto pick routes on 3rd and 4th and short like every other team does. They’re simple and virtually unstoppable and lead to big gains. My biggest gripe with Dorsey’s offense is how difficult he schemes things up for josh and never gives him the easy stuff. 

 

Maybe there is a reason for that?  Maybe Josh throws the ball too hot and they end up getting ricocheted and deflected up and that would be an area of the field where there are a lot of defenders. Maybe defenders are ready to knock those down?  Allen was having a LOT of batted passes early last year and I believe that was when they were attempting to throw more inside short stuff.

 

 

[quinnearlysghost88]

11 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I rest my case.

 

But if the net result at the end of a game, what's the difference? Again, if teams with superior YAC are so much better why aren't they outperforming the Bills? (Miami being the obvious one this year.) The Bills get their yards through the air because our QB can throw it anywhere.

Can he? Hes currently ranked 13th in yards. I think you need to take a step back and look at the last three games. Our passing offense is not hitting right now. 
 

there was a point when Diggs maybe hurt his wrist on Sunday and just the thought of Davis being our WR1 was devastating. 

[PromoTheRobot]

44 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

Can he? Hes currently ranked 13th in yards. I think you need to take a step back and look at the last three games. Our passing offense is not hitting right now. 
 

there was a point when Diggs maybe hurt his wrist on Sunday and just the thought of Davis being our WR1 was devastating. 

 

I don't get this at all. Josh is 3rd in comp% 72.7! Bills are 2nd in scoring! How is that bad?? I wasn't kidding about expectations getting ridiculous lately. We think Josh is Superman and 72% is bad!

[quinnearlysghost88]

58 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I don't get this at all. Josh is 3rd in comp% 72.7! Bills are 2nd in scoring! How is that bad?? I wasn't kidding about expectations getting ridiculous lately. We think Josh is Superman and 72% is bad!

what’s the tipping point where accuracy doesn’t matter vs yards per pass. His accuracy is great but he’s lost his long ball almost completely. 
 

if the passing game somehow explodes vs Miami, I’ll eat crow. But something tells me it isn’t happening. 72% and 218 yards is not going to fly vs real teams. 
 

 

 

[skibum]

A lot of the lack of YAC yards is because our leading receiver isn't that great at it.  Diggs' first instinct is to juke and dink and dunk, instead of just committing to a line and hitting the jets. Trying to fake tacklers out when he could just be running past them.

[Jon in Pasadena]

17 hours ago, NoSaint said:

that and Davis is not particularly athletic. So if you have diggs and Knox out there plus diggs… It’s just not a particularly agile or blazing group 

though tua is getting more air yards/attempt too…

 

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

 

I dunno, having two Diggs out there at once sounds pretty good to me. Sign me up!

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

what’s the tipping point where accuracy doesn’t matter vs yards per pass. His accuracy is great but he’s lost his long ball almost completely. 
 

if the passing game somehow explodes vs Miami, I’ll eat crow. But something tells me it isn’t happening. 72% and 218 yards is not going to fly vs real teams. 
 

 

The Bills are doing what we all wanted them to do...NOT TO PUT IT ALL ON JOSH!  We have a run game. That's going to cut into Allen's numbers. We also want Allen to avoid turnovers. So he's not forcing the ball and just taking what the defense gives. The results are the same: points on the board.  Last I checked points not passing yards win games.

 

As for Miami's inflated numbers, I'm very curious to see how "balls out" they are against our defense.  Running up the score on an outclassed team doesn't make you more amazing.

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

what’s the tipping point where accuracy doesn’t matter vs yards per pass. His accuracy is great but he’s lost his long ball almost completely. 
 

if the passing game somehow explodes vs Miami, I’ll eat crow. But something tells me it isn’t happening. 72% and 218 yards is not going to fly vs real teams. 
 

 

 

He has thrown like 3 deep balls lol

 

You have surmised in your infinite wisdom that he has lost his deep ball because he chucked a few up in double coverage LOL

[quinnearlysghost88]

17 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

He has thrown like 3 deep balls lol

 

You have surmised in your infinite wisdom that he has lost his deep ball because he chucked a few up in double coverage LOL

No I’ve surmised he’s lost his long ball bc teams have countered it and play two deep shells. Even bad teams know to just roll safeties over diggs and Davis. We are way less dynamic and it’s showing. You have to be a real homer to not admit we’re pinned into small ball. 

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

No I’ve surmised he’s lost his long ball bc teams have countered it and play two deep shells. Even bad teams know to just roll safeties over diggs and Davis. We are way less dynamic and it’s showing. You have to be a real homer to not admit we’re pinned into small ball. 

 

Josh has had two high safety looks for years now lol.  Do you think it just happened this year or something?