Over-reaction Three Weeks In.... Offense seems disjointed

[Bockeye]

At least Davis and Knox aren’t dropping balls anymore. Big help on our drives. 
 

 

 

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[Billsfan1972]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

Over-reaction? Try ridiculous on for size.  As compared to last year, the Bills are more balanced.  Additionally, they faced yesterday what is arguably the best front four in football with no sacks.

 

 

Yep those big runs in the 4th quarter when the game is over looks great on the stat line. 

 

The Bills blew the Jets game, which makes this week that much more important and regardless of the points the Bills have scored, the offense needs to be better.

Just now, Bockeye said:

At least Davis and Knox aren’t dropping balls anymore. Big help on our drives. 
 

 

 

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Davis dropped one yesterday.

[NoSaint]

27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I don't think I'd call it disjointed. I think Dorsey was the problem yesterday. Some of his playcalling was bizarre. And I am still not convinced about their design in the redzone, which feels overly contrived. I don't see them run enough what I consider base redzone concepts like the outside rub route, and the Tight End chip and release. The seem obsessed with motioning Harty across the formation then releasing him into the flat. I am a subscriber of "players not plays" in the redzone so I'd like less stuff designed for Harty and more for Diggs and Knox who have been our most reliable redzone guys.

I’m even fine with playing to exceptional skill sets like hartys agility and short space speed 

 

but I think a lot of this loops back to identity. 
 

I also think they should give cook some touches down there just because he’s been such a hot hand. I think he could slip in and then also I think you have to reward him with one at soooooomepoint, right?

[Realist]

Last I saw there are no style points in the NFL. The Power Rankings do not reflect the standings, this isn't college football. The idea is to come out with a win, they all count the same. It doesn't matter if it's by one point or 50.

 

Every single game there are plays that don't work. Yes, I was dumbfounded on that fourth down play when Josh went into shotgun. The play didn't work, you move on. You don't fret over it. As "bad" as the Bills offense played according to the usual around here, they still put up 30 on a very good front four. I would love it i they won every game like this all year.

[Billsfan1972]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

We we very successful on converting 3rd downs against one of the most dominant DL in football.  This is nitpicking.

Again the Bills had barely 300 yards offense prior to the last drive.  They had 58 yards rushing (taking away Allen's runs) prior to the 64 yard drive at the end.  

[teef]

6 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I think it was pretty clear they thought the formula to win yesterday was score 20 and don’t give any short fields. 
 

How much you can lean on that in this league is a question mark. Letting bad teams hang around within two scores can be trouble though I’d be curious the analytics of it.
 

that said, they did reference Josh playing like he had to outscore Rodgers instead of Wilson in the jets game which was a point I made several times in the aftermath when talking about no one being in his ear. 

they're at least trying hard to show they can establish the run, which i have to imagine adds to all of it.  i have no problem doing it in the earlier part of the season, but they're going to have to push the ball down the field against miami.    the trick is going to be doing that and not have josh turn the ball over.  

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I’m even fine with playing to exceptional skill sets like hartys agility and short space speed 

 

but I think a lot of this loops back to identity. 
 

I also think they should give cook some touches down there just because he’s been such a hot hand. I think he could slip in and then also I think you have to reward him with one at soooooomepoint, right?

 

In principle sure, but I am not sure we have seen Harty's agility and speed yet. We have seen him slipping over and failing to turn the corner.

[BillzFreak]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Again the Bills had barely 300 yards offense prior to the last drive.  They had 58 yards rushing (taking away Allen's runs) prior to the 64 yard drive at the end.  

And what does that have to do with us being 60% on 3rd down which AGAIN is very very good in the NFL?

[Johnnycage46]

The last 2 weeks is basically how New England kept on winning and winning and winning.  Not always glamorous or "fun" but it's winning football.  Not sure why people need to B word about literally everything.

[Billsfan1972]

1 minute ago, BillzFreak said:

And what does that have to do with us being 60% on 3rd down which AGAIN is very very good in the NFL?

Again take a look at the conversions and basically it is as usual because of Josh.  

 

I get it, you are a glass half full guy.  I'm sure you said the exact same thing down the stretch last year, when a # of us expressed concerns with the offence.  How did that workout vs. Cincy?  

 

The Bills were fine yesterday, just making an observation that the Offense.

3 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

The last 2 weeks is basically how New England kept on winning and winning and winning.  Not always glamorous or "fun" but it's winning football.  Not sure why people need to B word about literally everything.

Have the Bills won 6 Super Bowls?  Did I miss something?

[Chaos]

First four trips to the red zone yielded 16 points.  Against explosive offensive teams, this is probably not quite good enough.  The red zone play calls and play designs don’t seem much different than last year.  This level of red zone success is fine again average or below average teams.   It is certainly eligible to improve as

the new players have more games together. But I think to go deep in the playoffs it must improve. 

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Again the Bills had barely 300 yards offense prior to the last drive.  They had 58 yards rushing (taking away Allen's runs) prior to the 64 yard drive at the end.  

 

How many things are we going to take away?  So far we have to take away the ENTIRE 2nd half against the Raiders and the entire 4th quarter of the Washington game.

Now we have to take away Allen's rushing yards.   What's next?  "If you take away all the throws to Diggs, our passing game wasn't that good." 

 

We weren't perfect but very efficient.  Yeah, things could have gone more smoothly but nothing was concerning on offense yesterday.  

[Johnnycage46]

2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Again take a look at the conversions and basically it is as usual because of Josh.  

 

I get it, you are a glass half full guy.  I'm sure you said the exact same thing down the stretch last year, when a # of us expressed concerns with the offence.  How did that workout vs. Cincy?  

 

The Bills were fine yesterday, just making an observation that the Offense.

Have the Bills won 6 Super Bowls?  Did I miss something?

 

Oh yes, yes indeed.

[GunnerBill]

31 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

LOL

Take away 3 successful quarters and they weren’t as good.  
That’s now how it works.

 

It is what a lot of the uber critics here do. They say "ah yes the way it happened was okay... but what if it hadn't happened that way? What if they'd been worse? Then it would have been bad wouldn't it? See there's your proof."

 

It is the most batshit crazy way of engaging in debate.

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Again take a look at the conversions and basically it is as usual because of Josh.  

 

I get it, you are a glass half full guy.  I'm sure you said the exact same thing down the stretch last year, when a # of us expressed concerns with the offence.  How did that workout vs. Cincy?  

 

The Bills were fine yesterday, just making an observation that the Offense.

Have the Bills won 6 Super Bowls?  Did I miss something?

 

Yep.  I think Allen was pressured all day, had no time to throw, had to go off script on almost every 3rd down.

The offensive line and all the WR's let him down.  It was all Josh.

[Billsfan1972]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

How many things are we going to take away?  So far we have to take away the ENTIRE 2nd half against the Raiders and the entire 4th quarter of the Washington game.

Now we have to take away Allen's rushing yards.   What's next?  "If you take away all the throws to Diggs, our passing game wasn't that good." 

 

We weren't perfect but very efficient.  Yeah, things could have gone more smoothly but nothing was concerning on offense yesterday.  

Yes you can always throw out Allen Scrambles, as they were not designed plays.  Up 30-0 at the end of the game, yes it is going to be rushing plays, and prior to that the running game was meh.  

 

And one catch from Gabe is not enough.

[Low Positive]

So, after the Jets game this board and the entire NFL was screaming for Josh to “take what the defense gives him ” and “against a good defense, move the chains and kick FGs.” So now that he’s doing just that, those same people are asking “where are the big, explosive plays?” Can’t have it both ways. 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

Oh yes, yes indeed.

 

He always does.  

 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Yep.  I think Allen was pressured all day, had no time to throw, had to go off script on almost every 3rd down.

The offensive line and all the WR's let him down.  It was all Josh.

 

Yea but if Josh hadn't thrown those passes who would? See! Proof!

[BillzFreak]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

How many things are we going to take away?  So far we have to take away the ENTIRE 2nd half against the Raiders and the entire 4th quarter of the Washington game.

Now we have to take away Allen's rushing yards.   What's next?  "If you take away all the throws to Diggs, our passing game wasn't that good." 

 

We weren't perfect but very efficient.  Yeah, things could have gone more smoothly but nothing was concerning on offense yesterday.  

He is spinning in circles now based on games played last year. No valid points other then...yeah but last year. That's a tired and lazy way to try and make a point imo. He can get the attention he obviously desperately needs from the other people on here, I'm done with him because he has nothing left but....yeah but last year.