McD much better D coordinator than Frazier

[DaggersEOD]

On 9/24/2023 at 5:02 PM, pi2000 said:

So if Wash scored 35 against the Broncos and 3 against the Bills, and Miami scored 70 aganst the Broncos.   

Then Miami should score 6 points against Buffalo.

That adds up 👍

[PatsFanNH]

13 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

New England’s defense is legit. Again, if the Bills do not turn the ball over they should have no problem with either game this year. The Bills have are more better than the Patriots have gotten more better, as teams.

Ok I am sick and have a raging headache so excuse me if this question seems odd.. but what are you trying to say in that last sentence? That the Bills improved more than the Patriots did?  Thanks!

[Scott7975]

On 9/24/2023 at 5:50 PM, Freddie's Dead said:

 

I'm not a Frazier fan at all, but I'm not ready to anoint McD as the second coming.  Let's see how it plays out.  He didn't exactly light the world on fire against the Jest and Zach Wilson.  Frazier was competent, but came up small in the biggest moments.  We'll have to see whether McD can turn that tendency around.

 

I disagree.  Josh gave them the ball 4 times and McD held them to 22 points.  Outside of the one big run, I thought the D played well.

[Rockinon]

9 sacks, 4 interceptions, a forced fumble and general havoc in the backfield all game......I'm in. Go McD!

[Alphadawg7]

NFL rankings:

2nd in points allowed per game:  11.7 (Cleveland is 10.7) 

1st in takeaways:  9

1st in Interceptions:  7

2nd in sacks:  12 (Steelers have 13)

 

I would say thats a pretty good start, and we still get Von Miller back too

Edited September 25, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[Heathcliff]

And they held last year’s rushing leader to -2 yards….

[TwistofFate]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I disagree.  Josh gave them the ball 4 times and McD held them to 22 points.  Outside of the one big run, I thought the D played well.

And a miraculous catch. 

[DuckyBoys]

its a small sample but looks like McDermott's defense is more specific to its opponent and specifically the opposing qb  I swear we played the same under Frazier if it was a good qb or rookie jag   

[NoName]

Frazier gets so much bashing on this board.  The guy coordinated the number 1 defense not that long ago.  Plus he's had top 5 defenses with us at least twice and probably never had a defense worse than 15 with us.  I just dont think he deserves all of the bashing.  I am liking McDs play calling and I do prefer it over Frazier's . but it's only been 3 games and Frazier wasn't as bad as people make him out to be.

[Sierra Foothills]

On 9/24/2023 at 2:13 PM, somnus00 said:

Yet we always heard people saying that Frazier was running the defense that McDermott wanted. It's early in the season, but so far it looks like Frazier and McDermott have different philosophies.

 

I always felt it was more McDermott respecting Frasier's autonomy than Frasier running the defense that McDermott wanted. I believe McDermott wants to allow his coaches to coach... sometimes to his own detriment.

 

On 9/24/2023 at 2:17 PM, Blackbeard said:

This thread is so homerish 

 

And you were expecting???

 

On 9/24/2023 at 4:43 PM, JerseyBills said:

They almost take on the personality of the coordinator 

 

00Frasier was laid back , McDermott is high intensity and i think the defense takes on that identity to a certain extent 

 

Even outside of sports, workplaces take on the personality of their leader. I don't think there's any question that McDermott's intensity is making a big difference. In addition the defensive players are now being directly supervised by the head guy. That makes a difference too.

 

7 hours ago, wppete said:

I predict Leslie Frazier doesn’t return after his 1 year off 😂…. That whole story was so laughable but the media went for it. 

 

To spare Frasier's pride and dignity the Bills concocted this exit strategy and the media played along.

 

No one was fooled by the leave of absence story however there was nothing to be gained by refuting it.

 

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, Einstein said:

Spot on. We have the lowest blitz rate in the entire NFL.

 

Frazier blitzed on 19.4% of plays last season.

McDermott is blitzing on only 6.7% of plays this season.

We are not only being less aggressive, we are being significantly less aggressive. 65% less aggressive. 

 

Blitzing isn't the only way to judge aggression on defense. I hate that narrative. 

7 hours ago, wppete said:

I predict Leslie Frazier doesn’t return after his 1 year off 😂…. That whole story was so laughable but the media went for it. 

 

Who in the media actually said Frazier would return to the Bills? I don't recall anyone saying that. 

 

The Bills never did and the media never did. 

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Who in the media actually said Frazier would return to the Bills? I don't recall anyone saying that. 

 

The Bills never did and the media never did.

To be fair the way the Bills initially described him leaving was him deciding to take a year off which vaguely makes it seem like he'd be back.

[Einstein]

22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Blitzing isn't the only way to judge aggression on defense. I hate that narrative. 

 

What have you noticed schematically or otherwise that shows McDermott’s aggressiveness? Not arguing, just curious. My theory is that Bernards aggressive play style in the middle has swayed people into thinking the defense is being called more aggressively. I personally have noticed very little difference, schematically.

 

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Edited September 26, 2023 by Einstein

[LABILLBACKER]

On 9/24/2023 at 5:33 PM, GerstAusGosheim said:

McDermott called the D during 13 seconds. 

Nobody knows that nor has it ever been confirmed. 

[GunnerBill]

18 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

To be fair the way the Bills initially described him leaving was him deciding to take a year off which vaguely makes it seem like he'd be back.

 

They said the day they announced it "we'll see" on would he be back. They have never said he'd be back here. They have said he isn't done coaching.

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Nobody knows that nor has it ever been confirmed. 

 

I doubt the Bills would ever confirm that, but there was an NFL insider that said McDemott did take over defensive play calling in 13 seconds. Allegedly that was the beginning of the fracture between McD and Frazier. 

 

It could be BS, but just reminding you of where the poster may have gotten that info.

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

What have you noticed schematically or otherwise that shows McDermott’s aggressiveness? Not arguing, just curious. My theory is that Bernards aggressive play style in the middle has swayed people into thinking the defense is being called more aggressively. I personally have noticed very little difference, schematically.

 

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There is very little difference schematically. I told you all that all offseason. This idea that Frazier was running his own defense completely divorced from what McDermott believes in was foolish in the extreme. 

 

What I would say is I think Sean is a more aggressive playcaller. They have been running some more man on the outside (still primarily zone but they have mixed some more in) and they have been a bit more creative up front. I think a fair criticism of Leslie was that their pressure packages were a bit vanilla at times. We have already seen McDermott run 4 man rushes where Milano, Bernard or Taron are the 4th rusher and Greg or Floyd drops out and covers the flat. That kind of thing Leslie went to very sparingly but it was always there in their playbook Sean is just willing to call it more.

 

The biggest schematic difference is linebacker usage. And in 2020 when the D started slow and McDermott spent the bye week working with Frazier to change some things up we saw what we have seen so far this season too - Sean wants his linebackers to trigger downhill much faster. Leslie generally asked for a bit more read and react from his guys. It isn't a huge thing but I would expect the average depth of tackle from our linebackers this season to be less than it has been the last few years. He just wants them closer to the line and attacking the ball more quickly.

[wppete]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Blitzing isn't the only way to judge aggression on defense. I hate that narrative. 

 

Who in the media actually said Frazier would return to the Bills? I don't recall anyone saying that. 

 

The Bills never did and the media never did. 

NFL Network. Fox Sport. Colin Cowhert. 

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, wppete said:

NFL Network. Fox Sport. Colin Cowhert. 

 

I didn't see anyone on NFL Network say that. I can't speak for the other two. I tend to watch less Cowherd in the offseason.

[Warriorspikes51]

Let's revisit this after we face the Miami Rockets....

Elam needs to be on the field. He has 4.3 speed and can be rough with Hill to disrupt their timing routes