Josh Named AFC Offensive Player of the Week 2 and Week 4

[Never NEVER Give-up]

7 hours ago, bills742 said:

 

How is this so when all I hear is how he sucks so bad?!??!  Go Bills!!

[julian]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

Very okay with his play?   Oh, yeah, I'm on board with that.  Absolutely.   I'm not complaining about Josh.   I'm never trading him, cutting him, losing him in free agency.   

 

What I'm talking about (at least my view of it) is whether Allen will be Aaron Rodgers or Philip Rivers.  Or Michael Vick or Cam Newton.  

 

I think that how Allen played against the Jets looks familiar - it happens to him, and if it continues to happen he won't have reached the greatness we all expect of him.  Right now, I think he's spectacular to watch but not winning as consistently as he should.  When he really learns how to run games, he's going to be unbelievable. 

 

Here's an example of what I'm talking about.   In a way, your offense is only as good as how many of your skill position guys make plays.  This season it looks like Bills have some real talent at all the skill positions, deep talent.   Plus, the Bills have the most skilled QB.   The problem is maximizing the touches the skill guys get in the places where they can make plays.   Allen is the one who can maximize the touches, because he's the guy who can get the ball to them.  So Allen has to run the offense correctly.   Once he does that, it should be amazing.  

 

Want to imagine what it can be like?   I think at the skill positions, collectively the Bills look like the 49ers.   Yeah, we can argue about the names, and the reputations, but Knox and Kincaid create a lot of threats at tight end.  Kittle does, in different ways.   Diggs is a serious threat, different from Deebo, but I don't know that I'm trading, even up.  Bills running backs create tests.  All the 49er guys have bigger reputations, but the Bills are similarly challenging to defenses.   Now, imagine the 49ers having Allen at QB instead of Brock Purdy.   I think it's easy to imagine what a huge difference that would be.  If Allen ran that offense as designed, and you take his mobility, arm strength, toughness over Purdy's, that would be incredible. 

 

That's what I think Allen can be, and I'm all in on it.   But it is very much about his ability to increase the touches for his teammates, and that's about sustaining drives and not turning it over.  Want to know what the biggest stat of the game was?  The Bills ran 74 plays to the Raiders 39.   How many of those 74 plays were Josh Allen highlights?   Very few.  He spent the whole game making sure that the playmakers got the ball.   When you have good playmakers, it's all about getting them the ball.  And it's an added bonus when your QB is one of the best playmakers anyone has ever seen.  

 

That's why I think Allen getting his mistakes under control is important.   I think his mistakes are the only thing keeping him from winning a lot, really a lot, of MVPs and Super Bowls, and whatever else you want to measure.   I think if he starts playing with discipline and avoids mistakes, he could forever be in the conversation of top 5 QBs, all time.  But time's a-wastin.

 

If he doesn't become that, I'd guess he'll still win a Super Bowl.  Everything will come together sometime, but his success could be so much greater than just one magical year. 

He’s more than enough talented to win multiple championships, wins aren’t a QB stat and much luck is needed to get a title, he throws lots of INTs, that’s who he is… melting down and being the reason for a loss like the opener are rare.. it was only his third 3INT game, sane amount as Mahomes.

 

I think it’s obvious playing better more often makes your odds of winning higher, that opening game just isn’t frequent enough to predict anything at all. Allen is a proven commodity and the INTs are baked in.

[GoBills808]

lol how do you not include rushing TDs as part of Allen's TD/INT ratio

 

should we take out all of Mahomes' goal line shovel passes that are essentially handoffs as well to bring his ratio down also

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

6 hours ago, Your Brown Eye said:

This guy (Nick Wright) is one of the very worst commentators on TV.  His takes on football are so far off the mark that they are laughable.  I assume that he throws stuff out their to generate controversy and viewership.  He seems to be a New York homer and he can't bring himself to give an honest take on Buffalo.  Josh being AFC offensive player of the week must be killing him after the things he said following week one.  Go Bills!

[Low Positive]

21 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

This guy (Nick Wright) is one of the very worst commentators on TV.  His takes on football are so far off the mark that they are laughable.  I assume that he throws stuff out their to generate controversy and viewership.  He seems to be a New York homer and he can't bring himself to give an honest take on Buffalo.  Josh being AFC offensive player of the week must be killing him after the things he said following week one.  Go Bills!

He’s a KC homer and he’s open about it. 

[GoBills808]

4 hours ago, julian said:

You go ahead and ride that rollercoaster, luckily for you the highs far outweigh the lows, Which is kinda the point.

 

 Allen will always throw pics and as long as he keeps scoring at a 3:1 TD rate who cares. Not all INTS are created equal and Allen cost his team the opener because he melted down and made poor decisions.

 

 He doesn’t have a history of solely costing this team wins but he does have a full resume of carrying it to victories.

 

If Bills fans can't come to grips w this re: Allen by this point they never will

 

If folks don't understand they are basically codifying Allen's greatness by expecting Rodgers/Mahomes level passing production/efficiency while he's simultaneously putting up borderline RB1 stats...you just have to leave em alone, they don't get it

[Shaw66]

52 minutes ago, julian said:

He’s more than enough talented to win multiple championships, wins aren’t a QB stat and much luck is needed to get a title, he throws lots of INTs, that’s who he is… melting down and being the reason for a loss like the opener are rare.. it was only his third 3INT game, sane amount as Mahomes.

 

I think it’s obvious playing better more often makes your odds of winning higher, that opening game just isn’t frequent enough to predict anything at all. Allen is a proven commodity and the INTs are baked in.

Interesting. Thanks.

[Saxum]

3 hours ago, AuntieEm said:

Must be getting votes  from fans if his grandfather's books.  I lived the dune trilogy too but still don't think much of his grandson as a qb.  

 

Misinformation

Frank Herbert (Known for 1965 novel Dune and its five sequels) had three children  

• Brian (b. 1947)
• Bruce (1951–1993)
• Penelope (b. February 16, 1942) - Justin's mother's name is Holly, a University of Oregon basketball player.

 

Justin's father Mark Herbert (Montana 1983 not to be confused with Rugby player with same name) and maternal grandfather Rich Schwab (Oregon 1961-1963) played football.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Misinformation

Frank Herbert (Known for 1965 novel Dune and its five sequels) had three children  

• Brian (b. 1947)
• Bruce (1951–1993)
• Penelope (b. February 16, 1942) - Justin's mother's name is Holly, a University of Oregon basketball player.

 

Justin's father Mark Herbert (Montana 1983 not to be confused with Rugby player with same name) and maternal grandfather Rich Schwab (Oregon 1961-1963) played football.

 

So he's not the Kwisatz Haderach?

[Scott7975]

3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Not that I live and die on ANY stat, but it is good evidence that Allen needs to make better decisions.   He needs to put up games like the Raiders game - just routine wins, not full of adventure.  Boring wins, if you will.  That's what all the great ones did, do.  Brady, Rodgers, Peyton, Mahomes.   It's a combination of great production and limiting mistakes.  When Josh gets disciplined in his thinking, his wins will pile up.  The Allen miracle plays and miracle wins will still happen, just like Rodgers and Mahomes, but not so often.  

 

I don't disagree that Allen needs to cut back turnovers but it's not a predictor of him stacking wins. The guy is top 5 in win% of current QBs if you remove the ones that only have a few starts. Thats including his crappy rookie season. Josh's wins are already piling up.  Your statement is acting like Josh is like this all the time.  If he were then I would probably agree with you, but he isn't.  He has only had a game like the Jets a few times.

Edited September 21, 2023 by Scott7975

[Chandler#81]

Milano gets recognition too

https://x.com/builtinbuffalo_/status/1704321183733194884?s=61&t=s-bkdDXJMtQhYqbJSiNmsQ

[AuntieEm]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

Misinformation

Frank Herbert (Known for 1965 novel Dune and its five sequels) had three children  

• Brian (b. 1947)
• Bruce (1951–1993)
• Penelope (b. February 16, 1942) - Justin's mother's name is Holly, a University of Oregon basketball player.

 

Justin's father Mark Herbert (Montana 1983 not to be confused with Rugby player with same name) and maternal grandfather Rich Schwab (Oregon 1961-1963) played football.

Yea I figured if he was related it would have been widely known by now.  

Edited September 21, 2023 by AuntieEm

[John from Riverside]

9 hours ago, Virgil said:

Trade him while his value is high 

10/ first round, picks out to do it

[Scott7975]

17 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

Yea I figured if he was related it would have been widely known by now.  

 

But does he wear gloves?

[DapperCam]

If Allen can be patient with the underneath stuff, teams will be forced to bring guys down to cover it more, and the big plays will open up for him.

 

Just need to be patient.

[Scott7975]

Just now, DapperCam said:

If Allen can be patient with the underneath stuff, teams will be forced to bring guys down to cover it more, and the big plays will open up for him.

 

Just need to be patient.

 

Yes.  Josh has shown he can be "carry the team" Josh.  He has also shown he can be "manage the game Josh," not just this past game either. Now he needs to put them both together and show he can do both.  I remember he had that entire year where he just hit short and intermediate stuff with precision.  I think it was his second year? Then the year after he became the machine hitting downfield stuff. He kinda hasn't had that year yet where he has done both.

[Doc]

Josh was taking the underneath stuff a lot at the beginning of the Jets game.  Then he got away from it by taking deeper/risker shots when the situation didn't warrant it, which makes me think he did get concussed. 

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I don't disagree that Allen needs to cut back turnovers but it's not a predictor of him stacking wins. The guy is top 5 in win% of current QBs if you remove the ones that only have a few starts. Thats including his crappy rookie season. Josh's wins are already piling up.  Your statement is acting like Josh is like this all the time.  If he were then I would probably agree with you, but he isn't.  He has only had a game like the Jets a few times.

Thanks.  Good points.  

 

I don't think it's just the turnovers.  I think he makes the game more difficult for his teammates.  I wrote earlier about making the most of the skill players.  I think, for example, the run-after-catch stats that people keep citing are an example of how he may make the game more difficult.   Skipping the easy completion for the tougher throw is another.   

 

I think he can have easier wins by executing the offense better, by giving his playmakers more opportunities.  

 

I understand I may be full of it.  

 

I think Allen will get better at his decision making, and that's when I think he and the Bills will have real success.  

[Scott7975]

3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Thanks.  Good points.  

 

I don't think it's just the turnovers.  I think he makes the game more difficult for his teammates.  I wrote earlier about making the most of the skill players.  I think, for example, the run-after-catch stats that people keep citing are an example of how he may make the game more difficult.   Skipping the easy completion for the tougher throw is another.   

 

I think he can have easier wins by executing the offense better, by giving his playmakers more opportunities.  

 

I understand I may be full of it.  

 

I think Allen will get better at his decision making, and that's when I think he and the Bills will have real success.  

that’s all fair I think. I would say that it may take time and trust. In the past his oline hasn’t been good and honestly his skill players last year outside of Diggs were bad. YAC has been a problem almost his whole career and I don’t blame that all on ball placement. 
 

I’ll also say that even though the offense has been good at putting points up, it just seems difficult. Even this past week some of it looked difficult. Other games I watch guys wide open easy pitch catch type stuff that Allen doesn’t seem to get all that often. I’m sure maybe he is in part to blame but other reasons as well. 
 

I look forward to the rest of the season and really hope Allen puts his game together like Mahomes has. He definitely has the talent. 

[HOUSE]

What, no honor for week one ???