Deshaun Watson keeping it classy

[buffaloboyinATL]

  On 9/19/2023 at 6:16 PM, WhoTom said:

 

It's one thing to go all in when you're staring at four aces, but not when you're drawing to an inside straight. The Browns made a stupid gamble on an unknown quantity, and it's going to haunt them for years.

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The Browns are notorious for making really bad decisions. My guess is that their next move with be to panic, and trade for Jonathan Taylor, putting themselves even further behind the 8 ball.  

[Beck Water]

  On 9/19/2023 at 6:28 PM, AuntieEm said:

 

Now if he is suspended are the Browns still paying him his fully guaranteed contract?  I mean if he is thrown out of the league he isn't carrying out his contractual obligation for the guaranteed money. 

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I believe if Watson is suspended, the Browns are not obligated to pay him his weekly salary.  That raised eyebrows when last year's salary was set at NFL minimum, so that Watson only lost about $60k/game for his 11 game suspension or $660k total.

 

Looking it up, the same is true this year.  So the Browns would not be on the hook for about $60k/game for any games Watson is suspended.

 

They stay on the hook for the rest, though.

 

 

  On 9/19/2023 at 2:27 PM, Einstein said:

I can’t believe he wasn’t ejected over the shove of the official. That was blatantly obvious.

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I missed it but to be consistent in NFL enforcement, he should have been.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

  On 9/19/2023 at 2:40 PM, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

I didn't think the facemask penalties were much of anything. He went for a stiff arm and his fingers got caught in the grill. Don't think those would be worth a fine let alone suspension. 

 

https://x.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1703965949466915246?s=20

 

I know the league takes contact with an official pretty seriously, but going so far as to suspend a "star" QB ? I don't think there was enough here for that

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The league would like nothing better to suspend this cancer. The less he is on the field the better.

[Beck Water]

  On 9/19/2023 at 2:40 PM, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

I didn't think the facemask penalties were much of anything. He went for a stiff arm and his fingers got caught in the grill. Don't think those would be worth a fine let alone suspension.

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That's the narrative Aikman tried to push, but Watson actually pulled Fitzpatrick after him out of bounds, then threw Fitzpatrick by his face mask once OOB.

 

So we see it differently.

[AuntieEm]

  On 9/19/2023 at 6:54 PM, Beck Water said:

 

I believe if Watson is suspended, the Browns are not obligated to pay him his weekly salary.  That raised eyebrows when last year's salary was set at NFL minimum, so that Watson only lost about $60k/game for his 11 game suspension or $660k total.

 

Looking it up, the same is true this year.  So the Browns would not be on the hook for about $60k/game for any games Watson is suspended.

 

They stay on the hook for the rest, though.

 

 

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That's right forgot about howctzey played with his salary to be suspension protected.  Well maybe we see Cleveland invest nada in oline and let's Watson get more angry and does enough to warrant a longer suspension even being thrown out of league permanently.  It's not like he's a model citizen.  I'd consider it a happy ending for us women lol.  

  On 9/19/2023 at 6:58 PM, Beck Water said:

 

That's the narrative Aikman tried to push, but Watson actually pulled Fitzpatrick after him out of bounds, then threw Fitzpatrick by his face mask once OOB.

 

So we see it differently.

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Yea accidentally caught y ou can generally see a player try to get unstuck not pulling the other player around like a ragdoll.

[T master]

  On 9/19/2023 at 2:19 PM, Virgil said:

https://x.com/profootballtalk/status/1704124784177545435?s=46&t=L452HseFOUPXMh5JPrb9nw

 

Good thing he doesn’t have a history of poor behavior, or he might be considered less of a role model

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I watched the game last night & i loved every time he screwed up or threw a bad pass I can't route for the guy it sucks that he got rewarded a huge contract for begin POS human being !! And i hope the children don't ever consider him a role model .

[WideNine]

  On 9/19/2023 at 6:53 PM, buffaloboyinATL said:

The Browns are notorious for making really bad decisions. My guess is that their next move with be to panic, and trade for Jonathan Taylor, putting themselves even further behind the 8 ball.  

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A knee-jerk organization.

 

There is a correlation of more success when you have front office stability.

 

What it must be like to be a Browns fan those poor bastards... reminds us to appreciate our team.

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

  On 9/19/2023 at 2:23 PM, The Frankish Reich said:

The Browns did it to themselves. Here comes another decade of ineptitude.

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May go down as one of the worst contracts in NFL history. 

[RobbRiddick]

Why does everyone hate Watson? Did he do something illegal?

[The Frankish Reich]

  On 9/19/2023 at 7:24 PM, LABILLBACKER said:

May go down as one of the worst contracts in NFL history. 

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Right. It's not just the contract in the abstract, giving a guy who was injured/would be suspended for over a year and a half, who would be 27 by the time he got back, and who didn't profile as a guy with longevity. No, you have to add to that the PR hit they took by signing him too.

I can't think of a worse contract in professional sports. Ever.

[mrags]

  On 9/19/2023 at 2:23 PM, The Frankish Reich said:

The Browns did it to themselves. Here comes another decade of ineptitude.

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Pretty much. There’s gonna be nothing they can do about it either with their ridiculous contract they offered him. 

[Scott7975]

 

[PatsFanNH]

  On 9/19/2023 at 6:52 PM, Gugny said:

Pretty sure he was unraveled when he was forcefully putting his dick in dozens of young women’s mouths. 

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Now now now.. allegedly!! Lol but seriously I was thinking that’s when the unraveling began.. now he seems to be spiraling.. although the NFL didn’t seem to think he deserved any fines for the face masks or bumping the ref. 

[ColoradoBills]

  On 9/19/2023 at 6:16 PM, WhoTom said:

 

It's one thing to go all in when you're staring at four aces, but not when you're drawing to an inside straight. The Browns made a stupid gamble on an unknown quantity, and it's going to haunt them for years.

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What is looking even worse is they doubled down and restructured every penny they could of his 2023 salary this year.

The Browns have pushed out Miles Garrett's cap hits so much already that he is costing $35M next year.

They've done the same with Amari Cooper.

 

The Browns are already $48M over the cap to start next season and will probably have no choice but to restructure Watson again.

LOL.  They pushed in all their chips and IOUs in this Watson debacle.

 

  On 9/19/2023 at 6:54 PM, Beck Water said:

 

I believe if Watson is suspended, the Browns are not obligated to pay him his weekly salary.  That raised eyebrows when last year's salary was set at NFL minimum, so that Watson only lost about $60k/game for his 11 game suspension or $660k total.

 

Looking it up, the same is true this year.  So the Browns would not be on the hook for about $60k/game for any games Watson is suspended.

 

They stay on the hook for the rest, though.

 

 

 

I missed it but to be consistent in NFL enforcement, he should have been.

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That's true but his salary is vet minimum because of the stupid restructure as I mentioned above.

Browns are over-the-barrel with him.

[The Frankish Reich]

  On 9/19/2023 at 8:17 PM, ColoradoBills said:

 

What is looking even worse is they doubled down and restructured every penny they could of his 2023 salary this year.

The Browns have pushed out Miles Garrett's cap hits so much already that he is costing $35M next year.

They've done the same with Amari Cooper.

 

The Browns are already $48M over the cap to start next season and will probably have no choice but to restructure Watson again.

LOL.  They pushed in all their chips and IOUs in this Watson debacle.

 

 

That's true but his salary is vet minimum because of the stupid restructure as I mentioned above.

Browns are over-the-barrel with him.

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Wow. Even worse than I thought.

I looked it up on Spotrac. It actually looks like a joke - Watson's dead cap hit if they cut him this year is $220 million!

Yeah, so they won't do that. What about after the season? Move on and rebuild?

How about $201 million.

OK, then after 2024. I mean, surely that'll work?

No. $137 million.

Then $73 million after 2025.

Then it finally becomes possible to move on for the 2027 season, when his dead cap hit is $9 million. So three more seasons after this one before there's a light at the end of the tunnel.

I actually feel sorry for Browns fans, who did nothing to deserve this.

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[Mango]

I think the most hilarious part of Deshaun Watson’s play/contract is that there isn’t another good comparable.

 

Cleveland is in a tough spot, they aren’t getting enough production out of the QB position given the cost. Their biggest problem is they’re paying for Deshaun Watson results for Deshaun Watson pay. 

[The Frankish Reich]

  On 9/19/2023 at 8:26 PM, Mango said:

I think the most hilarious part of Deshaun Watson’s play/contract is that there isn’t another good comparable.

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True. Russell Wilson's contract is bad, and I think everyone believes Sean Payton wants out of it.

But his dead cap hit is $49 million after 2025. Not good, but they may think it's manageable and not a total franchise destroyer. You know Payton was already thinking that through when he took the Broncos job. That's $90 million less than Watson's at the same point. Plus Russell Wilson has been a disappointment, but he hasn't been downright awful in most games. He's actually been pretty decent in 2 games under Payton.

Th Watson contract is just unreal awful.

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[Mango]

  On 9/19/2023 at 8:33 PM, The Frankish Reich said:

True. Russell Wilson's contract is bad, and I think everyone believes Sean Payton wants out of it.

But his dead cap hit is $49 million after 2025. Not good, but they may think it's manageable and not a total franchise destroyer. You know Payton was already thinking that through when he took the Broncos job. That's $90 million less than Watson's at the same point. Plus Russell Wilson has been a disappointment, but he hasn't been downright awful in most games. He's actually been pretty decent in 2 games under Payton.

Th Watson contract is just unreal awful.

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The Browns wish they were getting 2023 Wilson production for Deshaun Watson money. I guess they’ll just have to settle for Watson production. 

[The Frankish Reich]

  On 9/19/2023 at 8:40 PM, Mango said:

The Browns wish they were getting 2023 Wilson production for Deshaun Watson money. I guess they’ll just have to settle for Watson production. 

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Russell Wilson QB rating: 108.5 this year, 84.4 last year.

Watson: 69.1 this year, 79.1 last year.

Not even in the same league. It's not that Wilson has been good overall; he hasn't. It's that Watson has been probably the worst starting QB (not counting Zach Wilson!) in the NFL over the course of 8 starts (basically half a season) since coming back from suspension.

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[AuntieEm]

  On 9/19/2023 at 7:58 PM, RobbRiddick said:

Why does everyone hate Watson? Did he do something illegal?

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You been living under a rock the last few years?