Steelers vs Browns: MNF

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

That was a very bad game from Watson.  It's fair to say that he lost the Browns the game.

 

Going back to last year Watson has played in 8 games and has 11 total TD's and 7 TO's.  This includes a pick 6 and a lost fumble run back for a TD. Right now it's a battle between Kyler Murrey & DeShaun Watson as to who is the least productive and most overpaid QB in the NFL.

 

 

I don't think he has played a single good game since his return. I think this is just who he is now.

 

I think their oline was arguably even worse than their QB last night though. That is supposed to be the strength of their team on offense and it was brutal.

[DrBob806]

6 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

Having to watch Art Modell and Browns legend Ozzie Newsom win in Baltimore would be more than I could take. Imagine Ralph had moved the team to Cleveland in 1998, hired Andre Reed as GM, and that team had won the SB in 2002?

...and since Paul Tagliabue was pissed the city got an expansion team, he put the knife in the Browns by putting the Ratbirds in that division. Double B word slap by the NFL to a great fanbase.

[QCity]

I'm reading this thread and I somewhat get why people are ragging on this game (mostly in the first half it seems?) -- but it's basically because of the 2 QB's (one who is spent, and the other is a backup on a good day)

 

That was an absolute brutal, physical, everyone-in-the-ice-bath type of game, a true war of attrition. They likely aren't playoff teams but those defenses played like the division was on the line in Week Freaking 2. We may have watched a guy end his career (he blew that same knee out in college). 

 

Nobody on that field thought that game was meaningless, that's for sure. 

 

 

[Low Positive]

Just now, DrBob806 said:

...and since Paul Tagliabue was pissed the city got an expansion team, he put the knife in the Browns by putting the Ratbirds in that division. Double B word slap by the NFL to a great fanbase.

It’s like Bills fandom x100. We sat amongst a bunch of Browns fans at that game in Detroit and they’re just resigned to their fate. It was actually some really drunk 20-something Bills fans that caused any problems in our section. 

[mannc]

13 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Right now it's a battle between Kyler Murrey & DeShaun Watson as to who is the least productive and most overpaid QB in the NFL.

 

Russell Wilson obviously has slipped your mind.  He’ll be on the bench by the time they play the Bills.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He looked like he was running in treacle last night. 

 

31 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

That's because he fell into the treacle well.

 

 

FFS, what is this?  'Masterpiece Theatre'?! 🤨

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[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

Russell Wilson obviously has slipped your mind.  He’ll be on the bench by the time they play the Bills.

Good catch.  He's been so bad I forgot all about him.

 

 

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, QCity said:

I'm reading this thread and I somewhat get why people are ragging on this game (mostly in the first half it seems?) -- but it's basically because of the 2 QB's (one who is spent, and the other is a backup on a good day)

 

That was an absolute brutal, physical, everyone-in-the-ice-bath type of game, a true war of attrition. They likely aren't playoff teams but those defenses played like the division was on the line in Week Freaking 2. We may have watched a guy end his career (he blew that same knee out in college). 

 

Nobody on that field thought that game was meaningless, that's for sure. 

 

 

It’s Browns Steelers. Those games are always heated. The division games in the AFC North are always really physical. But for a neutral fan, portions of that game were a comedy of errors.

[Captain Hindsight]

54 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Must say I was surprised by Watson's play. What I remember was the guy he was in Houston - one of the top dual threat QBs in the league. All facets of his game appear to have uniformly deteriorated substantially. Maybe being away from the game for an extended period of time destroys a players ability to regain his form. 

Watson got paid and is going to do the bare minimum. When it came out that his contract was fully guaranteed, I fully expected this

[Dr. K]

13 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

 

FFS, what is this?  'Masterpiece Theatre'?! 🤨

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Yes. Next up, Shakespeare's "As You Like It."

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 minute ago, Dr. K said:

Yes. Next up, Shakespeare's "As You Like It."

With Kirk 'YOU LIKE THAT?!' Cousins as Touchstone. 🤔

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, starrymessenger said:

Must say I was surprised by Watson's play. What I remember was the guy he was in Houston - one of the top dual threat QBs in the league. All facets of his game appear to have uniformly deteriorated substantially. Maybe being away from the game for an extended period of time destroys a players ability to regain his form. Question then is whether he can recover or whether it's terminal. It spelled the end for Le'Veon Bell and it's got to be worse still for a player who has to execute with every snap and from whom so much is expected.

The real takeaway is regrettably a career threatening injury to one of the indisputably great players in the game. You could see early on that he was in top form and was really going to roll last night.

This is what I'm seeing:

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-dan-orlovsky-blames-deshaun-watson-s-weight-gain-forgettable-return-football-2022

 

He just looks slow, and he seems to know it himself. The great improvisational plays aren't there anymore, and it's looking like they're not coming back.

(Couldn't happen to a nicer guy)

[starrymessenger]

11 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Watson got paid and is going to do the bare minimum. When it came out that his contract was fully guaranteed, I fully expected this

So Captain Hindsight had foresight.

[Ta111]

Watching those two QB’s last night really makes you appreciate what we have with Josh.

[The Frankish Reich]

Browns rushed for 198 yards last night (yeah, one was a long breakaway TD run, but still), and somehow Watson was only able to complete just over 50% of his passes? Obviously something is seriously wrong there.

[BillsFan4]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nick-chubb-out-for-season-with-very-significant-knee-injury-kevin-stefanski-says
 

chubb done for the season 

[Royale with Cheese]

The last 3 MNF games have had Damar Hamlin cardiac arrest, Aaron Rodgers torn achilles and Nick Chubb devastating knee injury.

[Bob Jones]

22 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Watson got paid and is going to do the bare minimum. When it came out that his contract was fully guaranteed, I fully expected this

Will Burrow do this too? Seems like he already has been doing so. 😉

[Captain Hindsight]

22 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

The last 3 MNF games have had Damar Hamlin cardiac arrest, Aaron Rodgers torn achilles and Nick Chubb devastating knee injury.

And we also had Derek Carr and his eyeliner on National TV

 

17 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

Will Burrow do this too? Seems like he already has been doing so. 😉

Burrow looks hurt to me. Him reaggravating that injury is really bad news for the Bengals

[Beck Water]

23 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think he has played a single good game since his return. I think this is just who he is now.

 

I think their oline was arguably even worse than their QB last night though. That is supposed to be the strength of their team on offense and it was brutal.

 

Somewhat alarmingly for Browns fans, I think that game against Pittsburgh we just saw was the best game Watson has played since his return.

 

I think part of it is that Watson is simply not comfortable with or suited to Stefanski's system.  But part of it is that Watson just no longer looks like a driven guy who is willing to put in whatever work it takes or do whatever it takes to be great.  22 months or whatever it was, is a long gap to not play football.

 

Which is bad news for Stefanski because he's about to become the "escape goat".