To All You Dorsey/McD Haters What Say You Now ?

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

We should be 2-0 and we are 1-1. That is underachieving. Come back after 8 games. If we the Bills are worse than 6-2 that will also be a disappointment. If we miss the 1 seed by 1 game, then yes the Jets loss sucks. If we miss the playoffs altogether then it is a huge disappointment. Anything less than an AFC championship game will be a let down. Just the reality of where this team should be at. So when you play a stinker and your game looks like the smell, then you can criticize everyone. There are no free passes unless its game 17 and your resting your whole roster. 

and are we 1-1 because of coaching or play on the field? I'd go with the latter as the offense has been great in 6 of 8 quarters this season, the two they were poor in were ones the starting QB admitted he was at fault. 

[dickleyjones]

4 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I love that I elicit such vitriol from some members here.😉

the hallmark of a great board member.

 

i miss crayonz

[Don Otreply]

   The jets game was disjointed, primarily because preseason games are no longer used to ready the starting offense, they barely play, and come the first game they were still ironing out the wrinkles, and it showed.  
 

   2nd game, they got serious, and played the way they should have in the first game, let’s see how this progresses through the early parts of the season, and if Josh continues to play “smart” and take advantage of his weapons.  
 

  3rd, Dorsey needs to continue to game plan and sequence his play calls correctly for each opponent.
 

    I think that Josh embarrassing himself thoroughly in the Jets game will have a lasting effect on his decision making for the better, and that will be beneficial to the teams end goals, jmo. 
 

GO BILLS!!!

Edited September 19, 2023 by Don Otreply

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:

and are we 1-1 because of coaching or play on the field? I'd go with the latter as the offense has been great in 6 of 8 quarters this season, the two they were poor in were ones the starting QB admitted he was at fault. 

I would say its a combo. Allen struggled the Jets game but the play calling was also questionable. It feels like Dorsey is still figuring things out. McD had a few goofs in week 1 and week 2 was better and happy to see him taking chances. But end of the day if your players dont show up to play that does fall on the coaches. Cant say we had a great plan but the players didnt execute, that is on you fair or unfair. 

[BullBuchanan]

Was the game we just played in January? It sure felt like September.

[Donuts and Doritos]

Reserving judgement to see how the season ends.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

I still don't think we can win anything big with McD. A home game vs the Raiders doesn't really change that. 

 

I hope I'm wrong and I'll still enjoy the wins. But I think he'll still rear his ugly head in the end unfortunately. 

[Fan in Chicago]

20 hours ago, T master said:

So after the Jets game & even before that there were those here that wanted to fire McD, Dorsey, & start all over they said that the Bills would never win anything with McD & that Dorsey wasn't the answer also that Josh wasn't the QB he use to be !

 

 

Josh Allen was not the QB we loved 2020-mid-2022 in the Jets game. The game planning by coaches was fine. That loss was squarely on him.

 

In the reverse, Josh doesn't play as patiently as he did against the Raiders which was heartening to see. Both games are a single data point each and too early to draw conclusions. But in both games, Dorsey's schemes & play calls looked sound with only a couple of head scratchers. 

Edited September 19, 2023 by Fan in Chicago

[BillsFan692]

26 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Josh Allen was not the QB we loved 2020-mid-2022 in the Jets game. The game planning by coaches was fine. That loss was squarely on him.

 

In the reverse, Josh doesn't play as patiently as he did against the Raiders which was heartening to see. Both games are a single data point each and too early to draw conclusions. But in both games, Dorsey's schemes & play calls looked sound with only a couple of head scratchers. 

The thing is josh always does josh s#$! and it honestly wasn't any different vs LVR. It's just that when josh did josh stuff it worked out. There were at least a few head scratchers in the LVR game. I mean the touch down pass to davis into triple coverage could have easily been an interception, but it wasn't. There was the bad decision to chuck it up while being hit that resulted in an actual interception but sort of "Saved by the bell" moment as there was a defensive hold called on the play. 

Again, 2-3 plays in a game can make all the difference. In the case vs LVR, they went josh allen's way (as they tend to do). Against the jets, they did not go allens way and to top it off had the bone-headed miss snapped/bobble/fumble scenario that sealed the deal. Still, even in that game, josh led a tying drive with under 2 minutes left and you can hardly blame him for the opening sequence of overtime or the resulting special teams blunder on the punt return for TD (or the missed ref call on the play for the leg whip).

Fact is allen's completion % was pretty awesome vs jets and had a solid first half, he didn't have many bad throws but the 3 that resulted in interceptions and the final fumble that sealed the deal was enough to lose the game. You can be 25/28 passing but if the 3 are interceptions that take points away or give points to the other team you're in trouble.

Edited September 19, 2023 by BillsFan692

[T master]

18 hours ago, Joe Ferguson said:

I'm not sold on McD. He will still get a brain fart in the post season. It happened the last 3 years now.

 

If i remember though 1 the 13 second game was on the D coordinator or who ever it was that called that D in that situation & last season with all that had went down during the year 

 

Damar dying on the field 

Mrs. Pegula almost dying 

 Knox brother passing away 

Blizzard having to move games 

Multiple starting players injured 

Von, Mika, Poyer, Damar, Phillips, Jones (in the play off game) Brown, Doyle, Crowder, Kumero Tre not fully back from ACL, Rossuea ankle .

Enter players that haven't been on the roster John Brown & Beasley .

 

Then those that were dinged through out the season . Just in the last row was 10 players so i feel that with all or most of those players either gone or trying to gut it out in the last game of the year   then they wind up with a 13 & 3 record to make it to the play offs ...

 

This is just me but i'd say that's pretty dam good coaching just to get them to that point but then i suppose you & others will tell me i'm wrong in my thoughts on this . Sure they are professionals but they are also human . 

 

So there's 2 seasons with good reason for missing the AFC Championship game so only 1 season out of the last 3 as you said that they were completely heathy and lost due to their own fault .

 

Edited September 19, 2023 by T master

[colin]

i think dorsey has been good this season.  obv a couple bad ones, but overall called plays that had our team on cruise control to win both games.

 

i really like how the d looks w what mcd is doing.  and i like how mcd was aggressive in a fairly smart way.  i get he maybe shoulda gone for it on the first scoring drive vs the jets, but w rogers out against that d, i see why you take the points where they are.

[cgg716]

19 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Sorry, remind me, did he say they played lousy in "every big game except play off games with Baltimore and NE, and bumrush games"? Or did he say in "every game"? That's right, he said it was in "every game." Nonsense.

 

And the fact is the D was a huge factor in that Colts win in the playoffs. Huge. The Colts got the ball on their final drive with 2:30 left, down by a field goal. Plenty of time and a great chance. And couldn't move the ball against our defense, ended up throwing a hail mary from the 47. Forced them into a 13 play slow, unproductive drive, it was absolutely excellent play.

 

And now you are doing the same thing, throwing out hogwash as if it's true. The Bills aren't "completely unable to stop the run, year after year." That's utter crap. All you have to do is look at how Jacobs did yesterday to know that's simply not true, nine carries for -2 yards. The Raiders went 15 carries for 55 yards, 3.7 YPC. But you don't have to stop there. The YPA stats show year after year we're good against the run. 13th best last year, 11th best the year before. Bad in 2020, 6th worst, 13th best in 2019. 

 

We're actually generally above average at run D.

 

 

 

 

Nah, he's a great coach, genuinely great. 

 

Not elite. He's still got things to prove, but he's absolutely top 5 - 7 or so.

 

 

Despite all the capital spent on D over the years, and having a defensive HC, good Qbs have toasted us for years. As far as the run goes, gotta absolutely pack the box to stop the run, leads to negative plays, but also stuff like the Breece Hall run. Can't get anything done with 4 at all, this D is the same story but worse

[LeGOATski]

8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Fine. What's the ratio? 30/20/40? With the remaining 10 for number of delay of game penalties?

 

Remind me, where did the Bills rank last year in rhythm in the NFL? Were they 22nd? 17th?

 

You're doing an excellent job proving my point. It doesn't exist except as a vague generalization, basically meaning consistently successful.

 

 

You're on the right path, but it doesn't mean consistently successful. That's where you all are getting confused I assume.

[Xwnyer]

Dorsey still is a terrible OC. Still can’t design a modern offense with motion continuing into the snap,of the ball.  His formations are primitive 

[LABILLBACKER]

7 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

and are we 1-1 because of coaching or play on the field? I'd go with the latter as the offense has been great in 6 of 8 quarters this season, the two they were poor in were ones the starting QB admitted he was at fault. 

Our gameplan in the first half of the Jets was very good. But I think because of the hype and bright lights, Josh decided to go off script. And besides the opening drive v the Raiders, the whole game offensively was perfect. So yes 6 out of 8 quarters proved to me Dorsey's plan can work. Believe in the value of the short passing game. Believe in your RB's and the deeper passes will come.

 

Dorsey does still need to add motion,  misdirection and screens to his playbook. We're lacking in these 3 important areas. And stick Josh behind C more.

Edited September 19, 2023 by LABILLBACKER

[Joe Ferguson]

6 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Reserving judgement to see how the season ends.

Oh we all know how this season will end. Just look at the Bills playoff losses the past 3 years.

[3rdand12]

7 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

   The jets game was disjointed, primarily because preseason games are no longer used to ready the starting offense, they barely play, and come the first game they were still ironing out the wrinkles, and it showed.  
 

   2nd game, they got serious, and played the way they should have in the first game, let’s see how this progresses through the early parts of the season, and if Josh continues to play “smart” and take advantage of his weapons.  
 

  3rd, Dorsey needs to continue to game plan and sequence his play calls correctly for each opponent.
 

    I think that Josh embarrassing himself thoroughly in the Jets game will have a lasting effect on his decision making for the better, and that will be beneficial to the teams end goals, jmo. 
 

GO BILLS!!!

Your positivity is contagious. Damn you Man !

 Go Bills ! 

6 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Reserving judgement to see how the season ends.

That's entirely too patient  Live for the Day !

[stevestojan]

It was the raiders. 
 

Sure they called a serviceable, maybe even very good, game. 
 

But with our roster, we should be able to beat that team with both coaches at home. 
 

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves either way. They did well Sunday. I’ll give them that. But that was 6 days after losing to the ZW Jets. 

Edited September 20, 2023 by stevestojan

[LV Bills fan]

On 9/19/2023 at 7:32 AM, BuffBillsForLife said:

I for one look forward to an entire season of ridiculous knee jerk topics after every single win/loss.

 

They're 1-1 and looked bad in one game and good in one game.  Tension will remain high until they're 3-1.

I follow the in game threads for knee jerk reactions after every play. They are hilarious and almost as entertaining as the game itself. 

[Bob Jones]

16 hours ago, LV Bills fan said:

I follow the in game threads for knee jerk reactions after every play. They are hilarious and almost as entertaining as the game itself. 

I tend to agree, but honestly, this board is so popular, I can't even come close to keeping up with the GD thread....I look up to watch a play, and then look back down at my tablet, and I'm 3-4 pages behind! 😂