AuntieEm Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 58 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I mean, Edmunds had several opportunities to make that exact play over the course of his career here and missed them. Are you really choosing this hill to die on? Edmunds was not a playmaker, he was a scarecrow. I never got the sense that Tremaine loves playing football. Yes his size and talents allow him to be a fairly decent player but he never seemed to want to up his game. Seemed more concerned about staying healthy and that isn't a bad thing in many ways but it does make it easier to find a player that gives more in effort and the results of that effort can be equal to what youd get with Edmunds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: This is true, but Bernard has shown the propensity to be a playmaker Something Edmonds was not And tbh if the Bills are playing to their offensive capabilities the cover ability is the more important ability and there should be fewer plays needed to be made as our offense just refuses to get of the field as they eat up game time and wrack up a big enough lead that keeps opponents pressing and making the mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 5 hours ago, AuntieEm said: And tbh if the Bills are playing to their offensive capabilities the cover ability is the more important ability and there should be fewer plays needed to be made as our offense just refuses to get of the field as they eat up game time and wrack up a big enough lead that keeps opponents pressing and making the mistakes. Waiting for mistakes definitely can help a team win 10-12 regular season games against inferior opponents. So far it has not proven to be a viable strategy for a deep playoff run. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, Chaos said: Waiting for mistakes definitely can help a team win 10-12 regular season games against inferior opponents. So far it has not proven to be a viable strategy for a deep playoff run. Well ss your team gets their bread and butter plays down pat and limits mistakes it lessens the pressure and playing well with confidence can overcome talent disparities between 2 teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted September 20, 2023 Author Share Posted September 20, 2023 A few nice clips of his run fills here: https://x.com/cover1/status/1704230868594663547?s=46&t=E40WAbu8GsA_XsQdsioRYw 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 It’s cool that they’re showing the run stops because we know that this guy can blitz we’re not seeing that part of his game yet When you consider that this was one of the biggest fears we had going into the season, things are rounding out quite nicely Would still bring up Kirksey to back him up 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 19 hours ago, AuntieEm said: I never got the sense that Tremaine loves playing football. Yes his size and talents allow him to be a fairly decent player but he never seemed to want to up his game. Seemed more concerned about staying healthy and that isn't a bad thing in many ways but it does make it easier to find a player that gives more in effort and the results of that effort can be equal to what youd get with Edmunds. I agree. I never got the feeling that he had the passion a lot of guys had. It seemed like he was playing football because his family expected it or something. Passion drives great play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 39 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: It’s cool that they’re showing the run stops because we know that this guy can blitz we’re not seeing that part of his game yet When you consider that this was one of the biggest fears we had going into the season, things are rounding out quite nicely Would still bring up Kirksey to back him up Kirksey's call up full time would mean Dodson is cut. Tyrel is good on ST and Christian would have to take snaps there. Not sure how his ST play is. I'd give him more time to get acclimated. He always can be a PS elevation if a LB gets banged up. If everyone is staying healthy, I'd leave things the way they are right now. It's a long season. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 I genuinely don't think Edmunds makes this play. I think he hesitates on the play action and Jacobs has a chance to bounce it outside. 3 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 16 hours ago, Chaos said: Waiting for mistakes definitely can help a team win 10-12 regular season games against inferior opponents. So far it has not proven to be a viable strategy for a deep playoff run. Maybe not but that's the beauty of 17. He can do more than just dink dunk game manager. If they need to switch gears in playoffs so be it and having more film on the dink dunking will offer up some of the other play action shots back to the how did he do that from defenses not seeing it much during the req season wins. And once a lead is established I think trying to match might be harder with Josh and the boys eating up game clock like they can. Even the fans that rate mahomes over Allen have to admit he might have problems e ms keeping up with less time to match Allen's output. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Rigotz said: A few nice clips of his run fills here: https://x.com/cover1/status/1704230868594663547?s=46&t=E40WAbu8GsA_XsQdsioRYw That second tackle is particularly impressive, knifing through traffic like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Bernard has the instincts and the dog in him I worry about him, holding up over the course of the season, but I am definitely rooting for him 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 8 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Bernard has the instincts and the dog in him I worry about him, holding up over the course of the season, but I am definitely rooting for him That's where Kirksey comes in. And is Spector done for the year or on IR-return? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, Rigotz said: A few nice clips of his run fills here: https://x.com/cover1/status/1704230868594663547?s=46&t=E40WAbu8GsA_XsQdsioRYw That is nice. Couple of remarks: 1) The Bills defensive motto seems to be "you'll never tackle alone". And making those tackles in the backfield or near the LOS helps this philosophy vs. waiting for 5 yds downfield. Bernard is NOT a "thumper" but he has good technique and he's consistently slowing his targets to the point where the rest of the Bills catch up. 2) this guy is a douche. I used to get this all the time here when I did more data-rich posts. Hey, someone took the time to put together data. "I'd be interested to know the run-pass percentages each faced, do you have those data?" is one thing. A demand with please in front of it is something else. https://x.com/Kyle_Wright/status/1704273869316440371?s=20 28 minutes ago, Doc said: That's where Kirksey comes in. And is Spector done for the year or on IR-return? Spector is eligible to return. Edited September 20, 2023 by Beck Water 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 12 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Kirksey's call up full time would mean Dodson is cut. Tyrel is good on ST and Christian would have to take snaps there. Not sure how his ST play is. I'd give him more time to get acclimated. He always can be a PS elevation if a LB gets banged up. If everyone is staying healthy, I'd leave things the way they are right now. It's a long season. This. Kirksey last played significant ST in 2017. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 13 hours ago, HappyDays said: I genuinely don't think Edmunds makes this play. I think he hesitates on the play action and Jacobs has a chance to bounce it outside. This Edmunds guy must be out of the league if he is not making that play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 13 hours ago, HappyDays said: The Raiders decision to voluntarily downgrade at QB makes no sense unless they are tanking and they don't appear to be. Such a bizarre decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: The Raiders decision to voluntarily downgrade at QB makes no sense unless they are tanking and they don't appear to be. Such a bizarre decision. But Garoppolo is a winner. All he does is win yet no one wants him... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted September 20, 2023 Author Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: The Raiders decision to voluntarily downgrade at QB makes no sense unless they are tanking and they don't appear to be. Such a bizarre decision. One comment on this, then back to Bernard discussion. I don’t think it’s fair to say they voluntarily downgraded at QB. They benched Carr at the end of the season because he was imploding and Carr openly expressed his frustration and desire to leave. It was clear as day he had run his course in Oakland after nearly a decade there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: The Raiders decision to voluntarily downgrade at QB makes no sense unless they are tanking and they don't appear to be. Such a bizarre decision. Carr was on a 40 million dollar a year deal they signed Jimmy G to a deal worth about 22.5 per year. The Raiders felt like Carr at a huge cap number was not going to allow them to win and that Jimmy G plus having some extra 12-17 million in cap space would be better. I don’t understand it either, they could have worked around Carr’s deal and the Raiders cap is not that bad for them they enter 2024 with 46 million in space and probably 20-30 million in “fat” they can cut to make more space if needed. So carry some extra weight on a QB contract is not going to hamper them much. Just a poorly run organization 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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