Elam a healthy scratch part deux (now part TRES) (now part QUATRO)

[buffblue]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Everyone is so worried about Miami...in 2 games agasint Tua last year he averaged 201 yards passing against us.  And that was with our secondary banged up with injuries.

And yet they still played us within 3 points every game. They're a year deeper into McDaniel's system and have shown a greater willingness and ability to run the ball when that is what defenses give them. Pass protection has been solid for them without Armstead and Mostert has been very effective. Tua was also obviously concussed in the week 3 game and threw only 18 passes. His passer ratings were 123 and 104 respectively against us, which is pretty good. 

 

I obviously believe the Bills can beat them, but let's not act like they're some mediocre team that hasn't shown the capability of hanging with us before. This reminds me of the December snow game where everyone was saying Tua can't throw in the winter elements. As I recall he played well and if not for the easy TD drop by Sherfield, Miami would have likely won that game

Edited September 21, 2023 by buffblue

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, buffblue said:

And yet they still played us within 3 points every game. They're a year deeper into McDaniel's system and have shown a greater willingness and ability to run the ball when that is what defenses give them. Pass protection has been solid for them without Armstead and Mostert has been very effective. Tua was also obviously concussed in the week 3 game and threw only 18 passes. His passer ratings were 123 and 104 respectively against us, which is pretty good. 

 

I obviously believe the Bills can beat them, but let's not act like they're some mediocre team that hasn't shown the capability of hanging with us before. This reminds me of the December snow game where everyone was saying Tua can't throw in the winter elements. As I recall he played well and if not for the easy TD drop by Sherfield, Miami would have likely won that game

Im not acting like they are a mediocre team.  Im pointing out for all the fear everyone has Tua averaged 201 yards against us last year and Hill was held in check while we had a plethora of injuries.

 

Do you realize that in week 3 the Bills were without the entire starting secondary?  Hyde, Poyer, and Dane missed that game and Tre was still on IR which meant our starting corners facing Hill and Waddle were 2 rookies.  

 

Plus Oliver and Phillips missed that game along with Morse on the offense.  And by the 4 the quarter we had 13 starters out of that game between inactives, injuries and heat issues?  And the ones playing were struggling with extreme heat issues themselves.  
 

Yet we dominated the clock still in that game and held Tua to under 200 yards passing despite missing our entire starting secondary that game.  

 

Sorry, I’m not scared of their offense.  Doesn’t mean they don’t have a good one or are some mediocre team, just means I am not going into the game thinking we can’t handle their offense, especially if Allen and the offense can move the ball like they did last week chewing up long drives and clock time.  

[Billsfanatixs]

It's not a mystery to me, coach said he doesn't practice hard enough back in camp. 

I'm guessing coach hasn't seen what he wants yet

[buffblue]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Im not acting like they are a mediocre team.  Im pointing out for all the fear everyone has Tua averaged 201 yards against us last year and Hill was held in check while we had a plethora of injuries.

 

Do you realize that in week 3 the Bills were without the entire starting secondary?  Hyde, Poyer, and Dane missed that game and Tre was still on IR which meant our starting corners facing Hill and Waddle were 2 rookies.  

 

Plus Oliver and Phillips missed that game along with Morse on the offense.  And by the 4 the quarter we had 13 starters out of that game between inactives, injuries and heat issues?  And the ones playing were struggling with extreme heat issues themselves.  
 

Yet we dominated the clock still in that game and held Tua to under 200 yards passing despite missing our entire starting secondary that game.  

 

Sorry, I’m not scared of their offense.  Doesn’t mean they don’t have a good one or are some mediocre team, just means I am not going into the game thinking we can’t handle their offense, especially if Allen and the offense can move the ball like they did last week chewing up long drives and clock time.  

I am aware. I actually started a lengthy thread about that matchup a while back, in particular a 3rd and long play where our undermanned secondary sat back and still allowed a long bomb to Waddle that swung the tide of the game. It was more of a discussion about Frazier and his conservative tendencies.

 

We shall see what happens. I know I responded to your post in particular, but the content could probably be applied to a lot of different posts about the Dolphins. It just seems there is a general sense of taking Miami lightly around here, which to me is misguided. As I've stated before the Bills are going to be at a massive disadvantage in the division if they don't win in week 4.

 

Hopefully Buffalo will take care of business and find a way to slow them down.

Edited September 21, 2023 by buffblue

[BrettFavre]

I'm afraid Kaiir is a bit of a dunderhead, a bit slow upstairs, doesn't have both oars in the water, bless his heart.

[Alphadawg7]

31 minutes ago, buffblue said:

I am aware. I actually started a lengthy thread about that matchup a while back, in particular a 3rd and long play where our undermanned secondary sat back and still allowed a long bomb to Waddle that swung the tide of the game. It was more of a discussion about Frazier and his conservative tendencies.

 

We shall see what happens. I know I responded to your post in particular, but the content could probably be applied to a lot of different posts about the Dolphins. It just seems there is a general sense of taking Miami lightly around here, which to me is misguided. As I've stated before the Bills are going to be at a massive disadvantage in the division if they don't win in week 4.

 

Hopefully Buffalo will take care of business and find a way to slow them down.

 

I cant speak for anyone else...but just because I am not terrified of them and their offense it doesn't also mean I am taking them lightly.  I recognize they can be a dangerous opponent, I mean its a divisional rival and playoff contender.  Still doesn't mean I don't think we are the better overall team.

 

Yes, fins got lots of firepower, but they also went on a 5 game losing streak last year with Tua that people forget where his turnovers and decisions were the main cause of those losses.  And head to head, he averaged just 201 yards against us which included a game where we were without our entire starting secondary and our interior DL.  

 

I just believe we are the better team on both sides of the ball.  I mean, I will take our set of offensive players led by Allen over their set of offensive players led by Tua 100% of the time.  And our defense has always been better than theirs, and still is this year.  

 

 

[AuntieEm]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Im not acting like they are a mediocre team.  Im pointing out for all the fear everyone has Tua averaged 201 yards against us last year and Hill was held in check while we had a plethora of injuries.

 

Do you realize that in week 3 the Bills were without the entire starting secondary?  Hyde, Poyer, and Dane missed that game and Tre was still on IR which meant our starting corners facing Hill and Waddle were 2 rookies.  

 

Plus Oliver and Phillips missed that game along with Morse on the offense.  And by the 4 the quarter we had 13 starters out of that game between inactives, injuries and heat issues?  And the ones playing were struggling with extreme heat issues themselves.  
 

Yet we dominated the clock still in that game and held Tua to under 200 yards passing despite missing our entire starting secondary that game.  

 

Sorry, I’m not scared of their offense.  Doesn’t mean they don’t have a good one or are some mediocre team, just means I am not going into the game thinking we can’t handle their offense, especially if Allen and the offense can move the ball like they did last week chewing up long drives and clock time.  

Yea Tua and his fun to watch offense isn't gonnabe so fun to watch as the cameras close in on them sitting their benches watching their d get worn out. 

 

And it will be because we outplay them and not asking the sun to wear them out.   

 

[Charles Romes]

I would analyze the officials crew and play Elam if they are letting the DBs play. He’s a press corner with good instincts as shown by the Miami playoff game. 

[VaMilBill]

If I were the Bills, I’d consider trying to trade him to Dallas for a 3rd. They just lost travon diggs

[John from Riverside]

On 9/17/2023 at 9:23 AM, whorlnut said:

That’s just it…Elam didn’t fit what this team does schematically. It was a head scratcher then and especially  now. 

Looking at it now I agree
I thought that the drafting of Elim might have been a prelude to going more to a man scheme. Would you need to be able to walk down these really good receivers?

[Joe Ferguson]

On 9/17/2023 at 9:06 AM, Draconator said:

Dalton Kincade says hold my beer 

Kincade is not a wide receiver

[Billl]

6 hours ago, boyst said:

We are very good at stopping the top player for the opposite team. We aren't so good against the rest but historically we shut down the #1. Even Hill against us isn't lighting it up ever. 

Does “ever” include 391 yards in 3 postseason games?

[boyst]

10 minutes ago, Billl said:

Does “ever” include 391 yards in 3 postseason games?

I don't count big the one or two big plays he makes. And that fumble thing he picked up and ran, I don't count that either.

 

The sooner this jerk is out of the league and bankrupt then the sooner he will be to joining a long list of other has beens like himself

[Milanos Milano]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson said:

Kincade is not a wide receiver

He’s a big slot. 

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson said:

Kincade is not a wide receiver

semantics. You know as well as anyone Kincaid’s strengths and what he’s being asked to do at this point in the offense. He’s a pass catcher.

[gr8billsfan]

On 9/17/2023 at 8:34 AM, Einstein said:

Yeah, I think it’s obvious that Elam is a bust as far as this team is considered.

 

Maybe he can resurrect his career with a team that runs more man.

 

On 9/17/2023 at 8:35 AM, JayBaller10 said:

He and his scouting team selected him. It’s looking like Beane’s worst 1st round pick and he traded up no less. 

the guy has started 6 games with two picks. y’all wrote him off without the coaching staff utilizing as the player he is… what a shame

[AuntieEm]

1 hour ago, gr8billsfan said:

 

the guy has started 6 games with two picks. y’all wrote him off without the coaching staff utilizing as the player he is… what a shame

Let's see how Elsm.plays when he us active on a GameDay and actually is in the game.  He may be sent in to play his man coverage on a specific 0layer mcd feels he matches up with best.  That could be Hill or Wsddle  guess it depends on what look the Miami offense gives.  We will see if mcd activates him in any of the next few games.  

[Solomon Grundy]

9 hours ago, BrettFavre said:

I'm afraid Kaiir is a bit of a dunderhead, a bit slow upstairs, doesn't have both oars in the water, bless his heart.

Says a lot about our scouting department if this is the case 😎

[Low Positive]

Since this is a closet “Beane misses on draft picks” thread, I’ll put this here. Howie Roseman built a super bowl team, largely via the draft. Howie Roseman also drafted Jalen Reagor one pick before the Vikings took Justin Jefferson. Reagor is currently on the Pats practice squad. Jefferson is the best WR in the NFL. They had to go out and trade for A.J. Brown. That cost them not only draft capital but also cap space. I’m sure Eagles fans wanted Roseman’s head for this.

[Einstein]

8 hours ago, gr8billsfan said:

 

the guy has started 6 games with two picks. y’all wrote him off without the coaching staff utilizing as the player he is… what a shame

 

If there is one thing I abundantly trust McDermott with, it’s defensive backs.

 

If McDermott doesn’t think he is good enough to make active, I trust him, and the statistics show he is correct.

 

- Elam allowed a reception on 75% of the times he was targeted last season. 

 

- QB’s had a 98 passer rating when targeting him last season.

 

- He averaged 12 yards given up per reception.

 

In summary: 75% of the time he was targeted, he gave up a reception. Of those 75% receptions, the average reception was a first down (and then some). 

 

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Edited September 22, 2023 by Einstein